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re: Paul Mainieri's Answer to This Weekend's Coaching Decision Criticisms

Posted on 3/30/15 at 10:02 pm to
Posted by Lester Earl
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Posted on 3/30/15 at 10:02 pm to
Im not just using the results. That's part of the odds when you allows GD to swing away.. If he(Greg D) can't get the job done, you trust one of your 3 best hitters to do it. Runner will still be in scoring position. Hale happened to come through. His theory was proven right. Ball just happened to hit Bregman's foot.



Posted by ell_13
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Posted on 3/30/15 at 10:02 pm to
Agreed
Posted by redfieldk717
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Posted on 3/30/15 at 10:05 pm to
The odds are more in favor of someone scoring from 3rd than 2nd
Posted by GeauxxxTigers23
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Posted on 3/30/15 at 10:05 pm to
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Though he hit into the dreaded double play, Hale getting a single helps defend the logistics of the move.



See now that's just hindsight. it was the wrong move. I see your argument, but it's very weak, and the results prove that.
Posted by GeauxxxTigers23
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Posted on 3/30/15 at 10:07 pm to
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His theory was proven right


How many outs would there have been if Diechman hadn't GIDP?
Posted by ell_13
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Posted on 3/30/15 at 10:09 pm to
3 chances to get a hit. Or a bunt and two chances to just get the ball out of the infield with them in (for at least one out). When you are playing for just a single run, the percentages (I wish I could find them) say go with the latter.

You are trying to say that his gamble would have paid off. And I'm not arguing that. I'm arguing that (regardless of outcome), the right call is to bunt. He knows that. He did it an inning later in the almost the exact same situation... We got a run out of it.
This post was edited on 3/30/15 at 10:10 pm
Posted by TigerCub
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Posted on 3/30/15 at 10:09 pm to
C'mon ell, people were still posting about it this morning. And you started this thread knowing full well the kind of response it was going to get. I don't care if people keep talking about it. I just think it's gotten excessive.

Posted by Broski
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Posted on 3/30/15 at 10:09 pm to
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I had hears he was fast but didn't know he had Laird speed


Ok, this thought needs to die with a quickness before it becomes "rant knowledge"

I have seen a bunch of Deichmann in high school. He's not slow, but he is nowhere near Laird speed.
Posted by Lester Earl
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Posted on 3/30/15 at 10:09 pm to
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The odds are more in favor of someone scoring from 3rd than 2nd



well, he got the guy to 3rd.

he just happened to roll into the DP.


best case, he singles and ends game.

2nd best case, he pulls the ball, either a sac fly or a FC. 1st & 3rd 1 out

That's part of the reason why he was allowed to swing away. Lefty hitter with speed. This happens in baseball all the time late in a game
Posted by Lester Earl
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Posted on 3/30/15 at 10:10 pm to
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How many outs would there have been if Diechman hadn't GIDP?



1.

same amount had he bunted. without a chance to end the game there
Posted by ell_13
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Posted on 3/30/15 at 10:11 pm to
This morning, yeah. It was pretty dead around mid afternoon.

I knew what this would do. But you're blaming me, the messenger?
This post was edited on 3/30/15 at 10:13 pm
Posted by Lester Earl
Member since Nov 2003
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Posted on 3/30/15 at 10:11 pm to
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I have seen a bunch of Deichmann in high school. He's not slow, but he is nowhere near Laird speed.




So you were mocking me earlier?

i love when people talk out their arse. Go look at the link i posted on the last page.
Posted by redfieldk717
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Posted on 3/30/15 at 10:12 pm to
He got the guy to 3Rd with 2 outs instead of 1 out. assuming they intentionally walk laird, you have the best hitter on the team with a guy on 3rd and less than 2 outs
This post was edited on 3/30/15 at 10:15 pm
Posted by GeauxxxTigers23
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Posted on 3/30/15 at 10:12 pm to
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well, he got the guy to 3rd.



With 2 outs. I don't think I have to explain how many more ways there are to score from 3rd with less than 2 outs than there are with 2 outs.



You're arguing for the sake of arguing and making this very simple situation complicated. It's very simple, bunt the runners over and you have Laird and Bregman up to get one in. It's really the only move.
Posted by moneyg
Member since Jun 2006
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Posted on 3/30/15 at 10:12 pm to
Mainieri is right in that a lot of decisions in baseball are very close to 50/50 decisions...yet fans will criticize when it doesn't go your way.

Having said that, not bunting Deichman was not a 50/50 type of decision.
Posted by redfieldk717
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Posted on 3/30/15 at 10:12 pm to
That link is wrong, at least on lairds time
Posted by Broski
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Posted on 3/30/15 at 10:14 pm to
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Lester Earl



You do know Laird and Stevie outran him when running the bases, right?

60 is only apart of the equation, not the end all be all.
Posted by Lester Earl
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Posted on 3/30/15 at 10:14 pm to
were you there that day? what was his time?
Posted by TigerCub
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Posted on 3/30/15 at 10:14 pm to
No but this topic probably wouldn't be being discussed anymore on here tonight.
Posted by redfieldk717
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Posted on 3/30/15 at 10:15 pm to
Don't care about that day, just know his times from other days. Deichman is not faster than laird
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