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re: How Scientology controls it's celebrities
Posted on 3/30/15 at 3:35 pm to ILikeLSUToo
Posted on 3/30/15 at 3:35 pm to ILikeLSUToo
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This might be my ignorance asking, but does this church exist outside of hollywood?
At least one in St. Louis, Missouri. Beautiful campus. Nothing but luxury cars during their Sunday services (which I find Scientology and Sunday mass to be very humorous when used in the same sentence).
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Posted on 3/30/15 at 3:36 pm to sicboy
quote:Not exceptional relative to any other big business.
But that level of blackmail is pretty impressive
Posted on 3/30/15 at 3:36 pm to sicboy
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I understand how people can get caught up in the idea of the dianetics and getting over your past through discussing it. That part makes sense to me just like therapy makes sense. I almost empathize with people being drawn to that. However, they record and use the personal information revealed in those “audit” sessions to hold these people hostage. They also influence them in this most vulnerable state. If it was therapy it would be clear cut medical malpractice, but since they frame it as a “religion” it’s not prosecutable.
What REALLY blows my mind is the seemingly educated people that buy into the whole “Xenu” story and look past the fact a fricking Science-Fiction writer (not to mention criminal and fraud) wrote their origin story and canon. Its baffling that millions of 1st world, rich, educated people have bought into this. The non-famous members are treated like shite too.
Every time you peel back another layer of the Scientology onion, you find something more ridiculous. The whole thing is a big WTF.
I posted this on Movie board regarding the doc.
Posted on 3/30/15 at 3:40 pm to sicboy
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This might be my ignorance asking, but does this church exist outside of hollywood?
Spiritual HQ in Clearwater FL
This post was edited on 3/30/15 at 3:42 pm
Posted on 3/30/15 at 3:41 pm to TheCaterpillar
Dianetics is just therapy where they get you to discuss the hardest portions of your life and divulge your biggest fears in effort to help you conquer them. It is pretty simple therapy and can be very effective. They call it “auditing” and it is not done by a trained professional therapist. There is no protected confidentially.
The issue is, they record it all and extort you afterwards. They systematically steal all of your money by making you pay THOUSANDS to get to new levels of “Clarity” and if you try to leave, it just gets worse.
The issue is, they record it all and extort you afterwards. They systematically steal all of your money by making you pay THOUSANDS to get to new levels of “Clarity” and if you try to leave, it just gets worse.
Posted on 3/30/15 at 3:43 pm to TheCaterpillar
I know it opens up a can of works if I mention the whole "made up fiction" aspect of Scientology (I'm a born again Christian), but it seems like Elron just did this on a dare and it blew up.
Obviously religion has a bad name all over the world because it's people who are running them. It's very rampant in the Christian world as well, we're not exempt. But my faith is based on an idea of "forgetfulness of self". It's not about us, and our greatest task other than loving God is to serve others. I think even if you hate religion, you could probably agree that if this concept was accepted universally things would be all right.
But it seems that regardless of what it's intentions were at the beginning, all religions eventually veer towards self serving.
Obviously religion has a bad name all over the world because it's people who are running them. It's very rampant in the Christian world as well, we're not exempt. But my faith is based on an idea of "forgetfulness of self". It's not about us, and our greatest task other than loving God is to serve others. I think even if you hate religion, you could probably agree that if this concept was accepted universally things would be all right.
But it seems that regardless of what it's intentions were at the beginning, all religions eventually veer towards self serving.
Posted on 3/30/15 at 3:45 pm to TheCaterpillar
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They systematically steal all of your money by making you pay THOUSANDS to get to new levels of “Clarity” and if you try to leave, it just gets worse.
I guess that's why I thought it was geared towards the super wealthy. Anyone can be suckered out of their money, but celebrities become extra generous when they decide to get behind a cause.
Posted on 3/30/15 at 3:47 pm to sicboy
Cruise and Travolta must really not want the public to know they're gay which doesn't make sense in today's society. They must have some really bad shite. Hope one of them breaks their silence one day.
Posted on 3/30/15 at 3:49 pm to sicboy
I don't want to beat you up, sicboy, but anyone who has followed Scientology - at all - has known for decades this is their practice with audits and blackmail.
Posted on 3/30/15 at 3:54 pm to sicboy
I used to work in Downtown Clearwater, FL where those loons are based. They don't talk to non-members and based on their "level" they all wear matching uniforms. When they leave a class from a building they go single file and look like army ants. They don't smile much either. Just a weird bunch. Oh, and that part about giving the "church" ALL you assets is just a tad strange too. I guess you get the "cool" uniforms as a trade off though so there's that. Colored button up shirt and some color of khakis is the uniform.
This post was edited on 3/30/15 at 3:56 pm
Posted on 3/30/15 at 3:55 pm to sicboy
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I guess that's why I thought it was geared towards the super wealthy. Anyone can be suckered out of their money, but celebrities become extra generous when they decide to get behind a cause.
They have 3 levels. Normal people, celebrities, and Sea Org (like clergy that get abused).
Celebrities are the face and marketing. Normal people actually supply the majority money. They bankrupt hundreds of thousands of normal people. That adds up.
Posted on 3/30/15 at 4:01 pm to roadGator
The documentary was nuts and extremely eye opening. I've always been super curious about Scientology, naturally since it's extremely secretive. If you have any interest in how it works the documentary is a must watch.
The Sea Org was nuts, just signing the "billion year" contract.
The Sea Org was nuts, just signing the "billion year" contract.
This post was edited on 3/30/15 at 4:03 pm
Posted on 3/30/15 at 4:02 pm to sicboy
The thing I keep wondering about is how they brainwash sea org members into giving their kids to what basically amounts to slave labor camps. And how CPS has never gotten involved. I don't know how you cover up that level of child abuse.
Posted on 3/30/15 at 4:05 pm to roadGator
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I used to work in Downtown Clearwater, FL where those loons are based. They don't talk to non-members and based on their "level" they all wear matching uniforms. When they leave a class from a building they go single file and look like army ants. They don't smile much either. Just a weird bunch.
That's some creepy shite.
Posted on 3/30/15 at 4:17 pm to Rouge
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3+ billion in real estate assets worldwide is pretty damn impresive
Being tax exempt and charging people for each "audit, level, etc" helps with that.
If they weren't tax exempt, they would owe a few billion dollars as well. As was stated in the documentary, and why they took on the IRS in the largest domestic spying program ever created called "Operation Snow White". Seriously watch the HBO Documentary. These people are fricking insane
Posted on 3/30/15 at 4:20 pm to ILikeLSUToo
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Yeah, locations all over the country. Baton Rouge has one.
They actually have a rehab facility down the road from my parents.
From what we've seen, they are good people. The keep the road clean, and nothing crazy has happened.
Posted on 3/30/15 at 4:23 pm to Jcorye1
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From what we've seen, they are good people. The keep the road clean, and nothing crazy has happened.
You haven't seen much.
Posted on 3/30/15 at 4:26 pm to Ace Midnight
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I don't want to beat you up, sicboy, but anyone who has followed Scientology - at all - has known for decades this is their practice with audits and blackmail.
That doesn't include me. The info I know on them is on a strictly pop culture level.
Posted on 3/30/15 at 4:27 pm to Jcorye1
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From what we've seen, they are good people. The keep the road clean, and nothing crazy has happened.
They poison dogs of people that have left. They are not good people.
Posted on 3/30/15 at 4:30 pm to sicboy
Watching it now
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