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re: Did David Ortiz out himself as a PED user?
Posted on 3/27/15 at 6:12 pm to tduecen
Posted on 3/27/15 at 6:12 pm to tduecen
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didn't you claim to play minor league ball?
Not me. I worked in Minor League ball. And I what I was reading must have had the date wrong.
Point still being, there was only a one year lapse between "survey testing" in 2003 and mandatory suspensions in 2005. Meaning if he failed a test that would enter him in to the heightened testing category would have had to happen in 2004.
Not saying it couldn't have happened. Just saying he's received elevated testing doesn't amount to admitting anything.
ETA: And who's word is being used that players weren't put in "the program" for 2003 tests? You think MLB couldn't throw some influence around to get some of the higher profile guys tested more frequently.
This post was edited on 3/27/15 at 6:16 pm
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Posted on 3/27/15 at 6:16 pm to Wayne Campbell
It probably did happen then since the 2003 results did not come out till what, 2009? So he could have been taking something then and quit after failing that test.
Posted on 3/27/15 at 6:25 pm to tduecen
He says he has contacted them and demanded answers from MLB and they say it is just random. Either way if he truly is tested that much you can be pretty sure he hasn't juiced since 2003, who knows if he did before then.
Posted on 3/27/15 at 6:29 pm to lsu480
quote:2994 was probably his last failed test, either way an athlete saying they never failed is pointless....
Either way if he truly is tested that much you can be pretty sure he hasn't juiced since 2003, who knows if he did before then.
How many test did Lance Armstrong fail, Barry Bonds, Alex Rodriguez?
Posted on 3/27/15 at 6:33 pm to tduecen
So then should we just assume everyone is juicing? If they aren't caught you can't just accuse people since everyone can be on something and you can't tell just from looks.
Posted on 3/27/15 at 6:36 pm to lsu480
I believe every player from the 90's until 2009/2010 was juicing or taking something at some point.... The PED/Steroid game is always ahead of the game, Olympics have some of the most stringent drug policies and people get caught, these people would not get caught and many other sports. Blood testing is the real game changer here, since I am not sure what ways to hide it from the the blood stream.
This post was edited on 3/27/15 at 6:37 pm
Posted on 3/27/15 at 6:38 pm to tduecen
Well then they all juice so what is the story here?
Posted on 3/27/15 at 6:40 pm to lsu480
I would prefer they admit to it like ARod than deny, deny, deny and then get caught later like ARod, Pettite, Giambi, McGwire, etc....
Posted on 3/27/15 at 8:10 pm to tduecen
You're grasping at straws here. There are numerous supplements at GNC & other health food stores that are on the banned list, not because they are actual PED's but due to them being considered masking agents. If Ortiz had failed a test after the league handed out its list of banned substances,you would have an argument but he hasn't. I hate how people hear banned substances & immediately assume steroids or HGH when the list of substances go well beyond just that.
This post was edited on 3/27/15 at 8:14 pm
Posted on 3/27/15 at 8:22 pm to tduecen
Just because you haven't failed a test doesn't mean you're clean. Lots of PEDs are taken during the offseason and are undetectable while testing is being done DURING the season.
The ONLY athletes that I am 100% certain are clean are those who undergo VADA testing.
The ONLY athletes that I am 100% certain are clean are those who undergo VADA testing.
Posted on 3/27/15 at 9:06 pm to tduecen
MLB won't release what he technically tested for, and he wasn't suspended. He's been tested like a mofo and has been clean.
Funny that a person who cheers for an organization that pays Alex Rodriguez enough money to purchase a small island decides to start digging up old bones.
Funny that a person who cheers for an organization that pays Alex Rodriguez enough money to purchase a small island decides to start digging up old bones.
Posted on 3/27/15 at 11:00 pm to tduecen
He's the new Manny Rameriaz, annoying as frick.
Posted on 3/27/15 at 11:04 pm to tduecen
I thought it was already known he's a PED user
Posted on 3/27/15 at 11:06 pm to lsu480
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So then should we just assume everyone is juicing? If they aren't caught you can't just accuse people since everyone can be on something and you can't tell just from looks.
Welcome to post 1990 Major League Baseball
Posted on 3/27/15 at 11:16 pm to LL012697
Most players juiced at one time or another including pitchers. A juiced batter facing a juiced pitcher is an even playing field Imo.
Posted on 3/28/15 at 7:34 am to tduecen
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I don't need to accuse him, he has already had his name linked. He is either admitting to failing a previous test with his comments or over exaggerating, take your pick.
Posted on 3/28/15 at 7:48 am to Jcorye1
quote:I don't root for the player, I root for the team.... also it isn't my money so it is not like I have a say in it. I mean Red Sox paid Manny handsomely as well.... I've been vocal of the ARod contract since he was traded, you would have known that
Funny that a person who cheers for an organization that pays Alex Rodriguez enough money to purchase a small island decides to start digging up old bones.
Posted on 3/28/15 at 8:10 am to tduecen
Ortiz was on the secret 1st list of those who failed the test. Only Red Sox homers will deny this.
Posted on 3/28/15 at 2:15 pm to crimsonian
oooooh, dan just put his foot in ortiz lying arse
LINK
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Regarding your failed drug test from 2003, you claim you discovered the result along with everyone else when your name was leaked in 2009. You write, “No one had ever told me I’d failed any test.’’ This strains all believability. It also contradicts what you said at Yankee Stadium in August of 2009 when you admitted to a 2004 five-minute conversation with a union rep in which you were told about the 2003 positive test. According to the Mitchell Report (released in 2007), all those who failed the 2003 test were informed by the Major League Baseball Players Association in 2004. How are we to now believe you were not informed?
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You write, “Nobody in MLB history has been tested for PEDs more than me. You know how many times I’ve been tested since 2004? More than 80.’’ Hmmm. In your never-ending paranoia and posturing that you are being unfairly singled out, you may have goofed on this one. Eighty tests since 2004 is highly unlikely. According to NBC Sports, the only way a player could be subjected to that many tests would be if he was “in the program” possibly because of a (non-suspendable) positive test for amphetamines. Four tests a year is considered “unlucky,” according to NBC Sports. Anything more than that is someone who has failed another test.
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Alex Rodriguez and Manny Ramirez were other names “leaked” from the 2003 testing. They turned out to be dirty. We can go back to Barry Bonds, Mark McGwire, Marion Jones, and Lance Armstrong. Everyone is all about denials — until it turns out to be true. Are we supposed to believe that you are the one and only positive tester who was truly wronged?
Posted on 3/28/15 at 10:18 pm to crimsonian
quote:Didnt he have a pseudo apology back then without actually saying what he's apologizing for?
Ortiz was on the secret 1st list of those who failed the test. Only Red Sox homers will deny this.
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