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Posted on 3/28/15 at 4:05 am to
Posted by chilge1
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Posted on 3/28/15 at 4:05 am to
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(Are you catching more passes) Yes, our route tree developed a lot, it is a lot larger than last year (from no checkdowns and staring down Dural or the primary) and with everyone playing over top (passing) we (RBs) are right there waiting for the checkdown.


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He was taking so many vicious hits I know he had to have suffered sub-concussive or concussive blows. Especially the non-called "cowboy collar" Reuben Foster targeting hit that put him out for 3 weeks.)


In one post, you intentionally distort a direct quote from a player and accuse our HC of continuing to play a guy who suffered an alleged (only by you) concussion.

Good job. GDIAF.
Posted by Quid Pro Quo
SEC
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Posted on 3/28/15 at 9:54 am to
Chilge1
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In one post, you intentionally distort a direct quote from a player and accuse our HC of continuing to play a guy who suffered an alleged (only by you) concussion. Good job. GDIAF.


To refresh your memory: LF7 Did not play

When the season started last year at Wis, Cam did not put the burden of checkdowns on AJ, telling him to throw it out of bounds if the primary receiver was not open rather than risk an interception. Very understandable, conservative, keep it simple and don't risk turnovers.

After the Arkansas game when Miles was asked why LF7 did not play more, if he was hurt, he said:

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"No, I don't think so. Some of the things we've practiced him in, we weren't having a lot of success with. It didn't look like it was going to be something to merit carries. Not him, but his part of the game plan. I don't know how many times we threw the football, but obviously in the back in of the game we were throwing the football all the time."


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Running backs coach Frank Wilson had apparently seen enough for the first half out of Fournette, who has not seemed to run the same since a very hard tackle by safety Landon Collins for no gain appeared to shake him up with just under four minutes to go in the fourth quarter against Alabama. Fournette was replaced by Magee and carried just once more in that game at tailback two series later. Then he was hit very hard again on the kickoff return against Alabama after the Tide tied it 13-13 with :03 remaining in regulation. Reuben Foster nailed Fournette on the return at the 20 to end regulation. Before the tackle by Collins, Fournette had gained 191 yards on 42 carries against Ole Miss and Alabama for a 4.5-yard average. Since that tackle by Collins, Fournette has rushed six times for 10 yards for a 1.6-yard average.
Leonard Fournette Has suddenly virtually vanished

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Fournette gained a season-low 9 yards on a season-low five carries in the 17-0 loss at Arkansas on Saturday. In the second half, he had one carry for 1 yard.
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Fournette seemed a bit off from the outset against Arkansas when he did get the ball. After gaining no yards on LSU's first play of the game, freshman tailback Darrel Wiliams replaced him two plays later and rushed for 5 yards. Then senior Terrence Magee opened the next drive, but gained only 3 yards on two rushes. Fournette had runs of 1, 1 and 4 yards in the second quarter.


This post was edited on 3/31/15 at 10:55 am
Posted by chilge1
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Posted on 3/28/15 at 10:19 am to
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When the season started last year at Wis, Cam did not put the burden of checkdowns on AJ, telling him to throw it out of bounds if the primary receiver was not open rather than risk an interception. Very understandable, conservative, keep it simple and don't risk turnovers. 


What does this have to do with the direct quote from Fournette?

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Fournette gained a season-low 9 yards on a season-low five carries in the 17-0 loss at Arkansas on Saturday. In the second half, he had one carry for 1 yard.


Why don't you quote the first paragraph from the article you provided?
This post was edited on 3/28/15 at 10:24 am
Posted by chilge1
Baton Rouge
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Posted on 3/28/15 at 10:27 am to
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The Tigers played much of the game with a jumbled offensive line. Senior Evan Washington replaced starter Vadal Alexander at left guard to start the night as Alexander suffered a hand injury against Alabama. When Elliott Porter left the Arkansas game with an injured ankle in the second quarter, starting sophomore right guard Ethan Pocic moved to center, where he started the first two games of the season when Porter was suspended. Then senior Hoko Fanaika, who has played little since starting LSU's first three games this season at right guard, replaced Pocic at right guard
Posted by JaxTiger10
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Member since Aug 2014
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Posted on 3/28/15 at 10:27 am to
Blake sims was a good qb.Saban took advantage of his ability to extend plays. Blake sims was a qb his entire career outside of 1 year. This notion that Saban turned a rb into a great qb is bullshite.
Posted by JaxTiger10
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Member since Aug 2014
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Posted on 3/28/15 at 10:41 am to
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Although ALA was thought of as a Pro-Style team, in 2014 they were a full-blown HUNH, shotgun, spread offense


You have no idea what youre talking about. Alabama in 2014 WAS NOT a spread offense. Did they run HUNH? Yes.
Posted by Lonnie4LSU
Baton Rouge
Member since Aug 2008
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Posted on 3/28/15 at 11:51 am to
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That was absolutely not even close to the point.


You listed stats for Jennings, in the LSU program 2013, and a Bama QB, in the program 2011. So, you had to be in some way comparing them.

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It was the modern offensive change made in one year to stay relevant


A change much easier to do with a guy in your program since 2011.

Just cause there might be a few examples of young guys blowing up as a true Fr. or Tr. So., that doesn't mean every QB in college football should be able to do the same or should be judged based off the exception. imo

Posted by RogerTheShrubber
Juneau, AK
Member since Jan 2009
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Posted on 3/28/15 at 1:41 pm to
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You really can't believe anything Miles says.


I don't think anyone does. It's just a public charade.
Posted by BigBrod81
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Posted on 3/28/15 at 1:58 pm to
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I don't think anyone does. It's just a public charade.


Which is no different from many other college & pro coaches pressers. Most are tighted lipped & give out very little actual information. People need to get over it & stop acting like Miles is the only coach to do this.
Posted by RogerTheShrubber
Juneau, AK
Member since Jan 2009
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Posted on 3/28/15 at 2:02 pm to
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Which is no different from many other college & pro coaches pressers. Most are tighted lipped & give out very little actual information. People need to get over it & stop acting like Miles is the only coach to do this.


He's the absolutely worst I've seen. It's part of his personality and we just have to deal with it.
Posted by BigBrod81
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Posted on 3/28/15 at 2:17 pm to
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He's the absolutely worst I've seen


Bill Parcells & Mike Ditka were worse because they would blow up & become irate by certain questions.
Posted by TriumphTiger
Alpharetta, GA
Member since Sep 2007
10186 posts
Posted on 3/28/15 at 7:17 pm to
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Online QB polls show him consistently at around 80-90% popularity


When the starter struggles, the backup is always clearly better in the eyes of the fans.
Posted by Quid Pro Quo
SEC
Member since Dec 2013
541 posts
Posted on 3/31/15 at 2:58 pm to

Leonard Fournette on Harris' Maturity and Running The Offense

LF7 on BH; He has matured, calling the blitzes for our RBS, knows when to check it down, knows a lot of coverages. (Things are working better with him in?) Yes. He knows the right defenses, the right plays to call, when the defenses are switching.
(Are you catching more passes) Yes, our route tree developed a lot, it is a lot larger than last year (from no checkdowns for most of the season) and with everyone playing over top (passing) we (RBs) are right there waiting for the checkdown.

This post was edited on 3/31/15 at 9:05 pm
Posted by Quid Pro Quo
SEC
Member since Dec 2013
541 posts
Posted on 3/31/15 at 3:06 pm to
After 10 yrs of passing yardage at or below the FBS average, Miles promised to devote spring to developing a passing game and reportedly to finding "a 250 ypg 70% passer". After the bowl game: “I think that Brandon Harris will absolutely compete for the job, and I’m not discounting Anthony Jennings, just not going to do it,” Miles said, “but Brandon Harris is faster, throws the ball harder and really runs hard. Some fundamental things that he will improve on, and he’s ready to do so.” To contend in the SEC West with teams averaging 300 ypg passing, and up to 4000 yds/season, to the national stage where it is 350+ ypg and 4500+ yds/season is a huge leap historically and calls for rising from last place in the SEC and essentially the bottom of the FBS. Multiple 3+WR sets have become the norm for elite teams in HS, FBS, and NFL. Cameron's low WR utilization at Baltimore, and lack of HUNH utilization were issues that are even more important as modern offenses with DTQBs dominate the top tier of the FBS.


How likely is it that Harris or Jennings hits 70% passing? Well, prior to the Auburn game Harris was at 73.5%, the highest rated passer in the nation with 243 rating, and 96 QBR and highlighted on ESPN. He had 30 shotgun 3+WR sets vs NMST and the highest ppm rating (2xMariotta's) in the nation. Harris had scored 91 pts in under 3 qtrs and in 13 of 19 possessions on the year compared to AJ's 13 of 51 on the year after 5 games. Then we go to AUB and Harris gets stuck under center, starting with 17 of 19 obvious running plays, into a stacked box, that went nowhere against an explosive AUB offense that, like MSST was soft vs the pass. Over the past five years in the SEC only Greg McElroy hit 70% in 2010 and Manziel had 69.9 in 2012, his Heisman yr as a Freshman.



Harris' NCAA Passer Efficiency Rating is 243 and his QBR is 95.5, both top marks in the SEC.
He has 6 passing TDs and 3 rushing TDs in a little under 3 qtrs of playing time.



Jennings' Passer Rating was 137 and his QBR was 37.4. w/ 5 passing TDs 1st 2 games, none since. He has no rushing TDs.

By comparison Prescott had a 178 rating, QBR of 86, 11 passing TDs, 3 rushing TDs and he has 4 full games of playing time.



HUNH is something Miles has said benefits the offense and it is also necessary to achieve a goal he had this year for the Defense to practice against HUNH. Saban hired Kiffin and a retired ORE OC to implement the shotgun HUNH so his D had to practice without subs, making adjustments on the fly. It proved to be a timely move because the first 5 teams he faced he said never Huddled. It also gave him 192 more plays for the season which is like having 3 more games of scoring time.




Passing 2014: A Tale of two Seasons - through ARK game

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If the bar graph isn’t compelling enough, check out the table below. Through the first five games, LSU totaled 1,183 yards passing or 10.2 yards per attempt (YPA), while compiling 11 touchdowns and 4 interceptions. Tiger QB’s averaged a respectable 167.0 QBR. LSU’s offensive line allowed 10 sacks and 7 additional QB hurries over that span. Then, beginning with the Auburn game, LSU has only thrown 677 yards over its next six games, averaging half the YPA (5.4) as the first five games. Jennings threw as many interceptions as touchdowns over that span. The offensive line is giving up almost three times the number of QB hurries and allowing two sacks per game, as the level of competition has increased.


Of the 22 sacks



Even Kevin Steele, Chavis' best friend, said it has been 7 years since the SEC lined up in the I formation, now it is about spread option, HUNH, and explosive plays - 3 to 4 minimum per game, or 21-28 pts. He gave up a record 630 yds and 44 pts to AUB, and ALA still won with explosive plays despite 3 INTs by going 5 for 5 in the red zone when AUB went 2 of 7 settling for 5 fields goals and 2 TDs. A FG is not considered a successful play.

LSU rushing 2013: 2630 yds 37 TDS, 523 40 202 60/40 ratio 5.03 yd/att
LSU rushing 2014: 2929 yds 25 TDs 621 att 48/gm 225 yds/gm 70/30 4.7 yd/att
Jeremy Hill 1401 yds 16 TDS
Harris as a Senior 1153 yds 17 TDs, as a FR 2014 3 TDs in 26 atts 6.12 ypa in less than 1 game

LSU passing 2014: 2118 yds 17 TDs 9 INTS
LSU passing 2013 3263 yds 23 TDs 9 INTs



After the Auburn game, passing dropped dramatically. Over the last four games of the year from OM to A&M there were 4 INTS, 3 Passing TDs, and 1 rushing TD, and about 12 pts/game scoring. Truly a tale of 2 seasons.
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If the bar graph isn’t compelling enough, check out the table below. Through the first five games, LSU totaled 1,183 yards passing or 10.2 yards per attempt (YPA), while compiling 11 touchdowns and 4 interceptions. Tiger QB’s averaged a respectable 167.0 QBR. LSU’s offensive line allowed 10 sacks and 7 additional QB hurries over that span. Then, beginning with the Auburn game, LSU has only thrown 677 yards over its next six games, averaging half the YPA (5.4) as the first five games. Jennings (4) and Harris (1) have combined to throw as many interceptions as touchdowns over that span (to arK). The offensive line is giving up almost three times the number of QB hurries and allowing two sacks per game, as the level of competition has increased.
This post was edited on 3/31/15 at 5:13 pm
Posted by monsterballads
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Posted on 3/31/15 at 3:10 pm to
I just want to throw up
Posted by Captain Crown
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Posted on 3/31/15 at 3:11 pm to
You're going to catch a lot of shite for all of this but it is an interesting read.
Posted by CptBengal
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Posted on 3/31/15 at 3:14 pm to
It's nice to see proper analysis that frames the problem fans see on the field every year.
Posted by Quid Pro Quo
SEC
Member since Dec 2013
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Posted on 3/31/15 at 3:16 pm to
Miles was much more candid about the QBs in this partial transcription of his Scrimmage 3 press recap, praising the offense, and the growth by both of the QBs: The scrimmage was specialized and half of it focused on red zone, 3rd and long, tight quarters offense. He only mentioned one turnover, returned by Sione for a TD. It was believed to be a fumbled snap by AJ. He referred to both Junior Jennings and Soph Harris as being in year two.

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Scrimmage 3: (How does the QB battle this year look different from last year?) It’s year two they have really kind of been through it now and we expect more out of them. We expect them to not only execute the offense, their play, but also give us experience at the play caller, understand where we want to go, what we are supposed to do, and you know just a little heightened expectation (Are you seeing that?) Yeah, oh yeah. (What will tell you they are really better than they were last year?) I already know they are better than they were last year. But to find a real quality QB and have separation from one to the other, that’s what I am looking for, and you know, I am, I am not necessarily seeing that, and I think that the turn of the day, when one day it is certainly Anthony Jennings, that has probably performed better on more days, and then other days you know it’s been Brandon Harris, so..


YouTube Miles Press after scrimmage 3



Jennings talks about his favorite play and QB competition



Harris said he played better in Tiger Stadium
This post was edited on 3/31/15 at 3:43 pm
Posted by silstang23
Bossier City, LA
Member since Oct 2007
4957 posts
Posted on 3/31/15 at 3:23 pm to
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He referred to both Junior Jennings and Soph Harris as being in year two.


That's a problem
Posted by rmnldr
Member since Oct 2013
38231 posts
Posted on 3/31/15 at 3:25 pm to
I'm not reading through this whole shite show but has anyone posted this yet:
LINK

Harris under throws his passes to the inside and Jennings is hitting his receivers in stride to the outside. If we're going to look at short clips of scrimmages and decide the outcome of the QB battle then they should just put McMillan in.

Harris would have been put on his arse in that scrimmage clip if it was a real game and has anyone mentioned that the DBs may have peeled off in anticipation of Harris running? We don't have footage of that.

For all we know, Jennings may have been instructed to throw the ball short underneath the safety and see how the receiver would react. (Should've came back to the ball and high-pointed it).

Forget Milespeak and everything about stats and focus on the players making plays.

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He referred to both Junior Jennings and Soph Harris as being in year two.


It is year two. 2013/Mett, 2014 Jennings/Harris battle, 2015 Jennings/Harris battle.

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Quid Pro Quo


Do you think that Miles doesn't want to throw the ball? He's an old offensive lineman but he knows the limitations of his team. Entirely new WR corps, new QB, and an OL more built around a man run blocking scheme. Once we went against defenses with better DBs and pass rushers, all bets were off and we got stuck with ground & pound.

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If anyone wants to know what is being done to improve the passing attack, just look at the Music City Bowl and Texas A&M games. Almost every play going forward is going to be built around easy check downs to one side of the field with the occasional bootleg or misdirection jet sweep.

The key to a passing attack is having a wide array of routes and timings to throw the defense off, with inexperienced QBs who aren't technically sound, it's hard to run an advanced offense like Cameron did in 2013. Moving forward, I guarantee there'll be simple keys the QBs can read and pre snap motion to figure out the coverages. Expect to see more crossing/mesh routes by slot receivers/TEs instead of trying to take the top off the defense every play with 9 routes.
This post was edited on 3/31/15 at 3:37 pm
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