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QPon as starting SG next season to Target a Good SF?
Posted on 3/24/15 at 8:10 am
Posted on 3/24/15 at 8:10 am
I don't like Pondexter as the starting SF because I think he's too small, but at SG he's got good size. He's a solid defender, a good 3 point shooter and can penetrate enough. Let's say we find someone to dump Gordon on draft night or the first few days of Free Agency giving us the cap space to go after a SF like Danny Green
Holiday/Cole
Pondexter/Tyreke
Green/Cunningham
AD/Ryno
Asik/Ajinca
One problem with this is other than Jrue/AD PnRs, there really isn't much penetration, just 3 jumpshooters around AD and Asik. Is there a better SF to target to change that? AD has really picked up his assists the past week or so, if he becomes the center of the offense a la Marc Gasol, what do we want around that?
Holiday/Cole
Pondexter/Tyreke
Green/Cunningham
AD/Ryno
Asik/Ajinca
One problem with this is other than Jrue/AD PnRs, there really isn't much penetration, just 3 jumpshooters around AD and Asik. Is there a better SF to target to change that? AD has really picked up his assists the past week or so, if he becomes the center of the offense a la Marc Gasol, what do we want around that?
This post was edited on 3/24/15 at 8:28 am
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Posted on 3/24/15 at 8:27 am to TigerinATL
I think a better title to this thread would be "Danny Green at SF next season?"
Posted on 3/24/15 at 8:29 am to PortCityTiger24
Changed it up a little, because I'm not sure Danny Green is who we want to target. Like I said, that seems like too much of a skew to jump shooting. And I wanted to know the board opinions on Pondexter as a starting, 30+ MPG SG. Most are comfortable with him off the bench, a big minute starter is a different role.
This post was edited on 3/24/15 at 8:30 am
Posted on 3/24/15 at 8:32 am to TigerinATL
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there really isn't much penetration
Does the offense do much more than have one guy run high PnR and pound the ball? If they were whipping the ball around and asking multiple guys to attack creases off the bounce, I'd be worried. But more off ball players seems like a good fit for the scheme we've seen for 5 years.
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Pondexter as a starting, 30+ MPG SG
Not comfortable. He's a rotation player. If you're not getting a stud wing, and they likely aren't, you need at least one more guy like him on the wing.
This post was edited on 3/24/15 at 8:36 am
Posted on 3/24/15 at 8:34 am to TigerinATL
Green seems like a perfect fit if you can afford him. Some of yall were talking about the Hawks model. Korver is obviously a big part of that. Green isn't Korver when it comes to shooting, but he's still a really good shooter and doesn't hurt you on defense. I think he is better suited at the 2 though.
Posted on 3/24/15 at 8:34 am to TigerinATL
Jrue is plenty capable penetrating just need him to be aggressive offensively (well that and not be hurt so damn much).
Reke is definitely the perfect guy to play with the 2s (especially with Ryno spreading the floor).
I mean the more I think about it. I think the current roster is not that flawed but we just can't get any where close to the full roster healthy at 1 time.
I really think the lineup below would be pretty formidable.
Jrue/Cole
EG/Reke/QPon
DC/QPon/Reke
AD/Ryno/Babbitt
Asik/AA
These 10 guys give us a ton of position flexibility and match up mismatches. Really like to see what they can do.
Reke is definitely the perfect guy to play with the 2s (especially with Ryno spreading the floor).
I mean the more I think about it. I think the current roster is not that flawed but we just can't get any where close to the full roster healthy at 1 time.
I really think the lineup below would be pretty formidable.
Jrue/Cole
EG/Reke/QPon
DC/QPon/Reke
AD/Ryno/Babbitt
Asik/AA
These 10 guys give us a ton of position flexibility and match up mismatches. Really like to see what they can do.
This post was edited on 3/24/15 at 8:42 am
Posted on 3/24/15 at 8:37 am to TigerinATL
quote:
Pondexter/Tyreke
Would Monty start QPon over Reke at the 2?
quote:
Holiday/Cole
Pondexter/Tyreke
Green/Cunningham
AD/Ryno
Asik/Ajinca
I don't love Asik/Ajinca...But this roster... Yes Please!!!
Posted on 3/24/15 at 9:08 am to TigerinATL
I wouldn't mind Qpon as the starting SG. I wouldn't give him 30+ min though. More around the 20-25 mark and still have the super sub SG wether that's Gordon or Reke.
He's built in the model we all say we want, 3&D wing player. Now he's not the best on D but he is above average, at least imo.
I'm with the other poster about Danny green being a better fit at SG. I don't want another undersized wing at SF.
The AD passing question is an interesting point. Do we now build around him assuming those kind assist numbers will be consistent?
If that's the case, what kind of players does that entail? More shooters?
He's built in the model we all say we want, 3&D wing player. Now he's not the best on D but he is above average, at least imo.
I'm with the other poster about Danny green being a better fit at SG. I don't want another undersized wing at SF.
The AD passing question is an interesting point. Do we now build around him assuming those kind assist numbers will be consistent?
If that's the case, what kind of players does that entail? More shooters?
Posted on 3/24/15 at 9:13 am to TigerinATL
quote:
Holiday/Cole
Pondexter/Tyreke
Green/Cunningham
AD/Ryno
Asik/Ajinca
Honestly, I'd rather hold onto Gordon and try to upgrade the SF another way.
Posted on 3/24/15 at 9:29 am to Galactic Inquisitor
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try to upgrade the SF another way.
How so though? This upcoming FA period really seems like the best opportunity for the next few years. 2016 FA is a little hard to see because guys may try to do one year deals this year, but as of now it's a pretty thin market: Batum, Chandler, Gallinari. Do we really want to get in a bidding war on Batum in an escalated cap year? Is Gallo's defense good enough or is he just the 3/4 flavor of Ryan Anderson? That may sound good on paper, but it sounds terrible to me if Tyreke is in the starting lineup leaving us with only 1 good wing defender if Holiday is healthy.
Posted on 3/24/15 at 9:38 am to TigerinATL
quote:
How so though?
Evans or Anderson, if possible. I really don't know. We're kind of painted into a corner.
Posted on 3/24/15 at 9:40 am to Galactic Inquisitor
I was anti-Deng this offseason because his shooting was down the last 2 seasons and I didn't think that'd blend well with Tyreke, but now that he's a complimentary piece again he's shooting well. He was a name available at the deadline and he fits the "our David West" veteran leader mold, maybe we can pull some sort of Ryno for Deng trade.
Posted on 3/24/15 at 9:49 am to Galactic Inquisitor
I really would like to see what a healthy rotation of our current squad can do.
Honestly I really think the current make up can be really successful though I think a coaching change would help as well.
I think this team can force match up issues for other teams tho Monty tends to react to other teams lineups instead of forcing the other teams to react to his.
Honestly I really think the current make up can be really successful though I think a coaching change would help as well.
I think this team can force match up issues for other teams tho Monty tends to react to other teams lineups instead of forcing the other teams to react to his.
Posted on 3/24/15 at 9:57 am to TigerinATL
quote:
maybe we can pull some sort of Ryno for Deng trade.
We would have to include a 3rd team in this deal. Miami has McRoberts so Ryno would be a redundant skill set.
Maybe we do a trade with Cleveland this offseason, Ryno for Shumpert?
I think he's a RFA so we could do a sign and trade for him to make the money work. If love leaves I think they go for it, they have a plethora of wings
Posted on 3/24/15 at 10:49 am to sma19
McRoberts is a shooter?
Posted on 3/24/15 at 11:56 am to TigerinATL
Danny Green and QPon are the same size.
Posted on 3/24/15 at 12:10 pm to Let Me Take A Selfie
I was going to say this. They are the same size, but I would be comfortable with them as the starting wings. As of now Q-pon is getting 28 minutes per game (with the Pels). His shooting numbers are also solid: 8.7 pts, 44.1% fg, 40.5% 3pt.
Posted on 3/24/15 at 12:24 pm to Let Me Take A Selfie
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Danny Green and QPon are the same size.
I don't have an ideal target in mind, the main point is I'm not sure if there is much of an MLE level SF market this year, and if we dump Gordon, we'd really only have enough money to get a SF, not an SF and a Gordon replacement. So is QPon a good enough Gordon replacement if you turned Gordon into a $10 million SF.
Posted on 3/24/15 at 1:02 pm to TigerinATL
What size is big enough for a SF? Q-pon is 6'7 220, SF's typically range from 6'7-6'9, there are some upper outliers like Greek Freak (6'11) and Gallo (6'10), as well as lower outliers like Tucker (6'6).
Posted on 3/24/15 at 1:12 pm to Epic Cajun
6'6, not 6'7 and he's just looked physically overmatched many times this season. Ideally I think we want a longer 6'8ish guy. I'm fine with a SF by committee like we have now, but in trying to figure out how you get that 2nd SF, you almost have to move someone which lead me to ponder Pondexter as starting SG.
This post was edited on 3/24/15 at 1:13 pm
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