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Discussion about Peshmerga/YPG/Iraq army/and ISIS
Posted on 3/22/15 at 11:27 am
Posted on 3/22/15 at 11:27 am
Talked to a buddy of mine yesterday who was in military(marines). Although he fought some in Afghanistan, never went to Iraq, he has an in-law who was one of those advisers who assisted with training of Iraq troops several years ago and he has kept up with all this going on now in Iraq, I've also kept up with alot of it.
YPG is Syrian Kurds and Peshmerga is Iraqi Kurds and we talked the differences between the two. He mentioned Kobane and said YPG basically gave ISIS a taste of their own medicine, YPG was using IEDs and suicide bombings to kill ISIS and it kept Kobane in Kurds hands until U.S. airstrikes started to help out. He said Peshmerga is a more modern type military. Basically, if Peshmerga and YPG were to fight against each other, Peshmerga would win in an open field battle but YPG would win in street to street battle and they would resort to more terrorist tactics where Peshmerga wouldn't.
We were talking about Tikrit and how Iraqi military has it surrounded but wouldn't go in b/c of all the bombs planted by ISIS. He stated Peshmerga would probably do the same but YPG would have already taken it over( if they had the same amount of soldiers) and would be on their way to Mosul as we speak.
Another thing he mentioned is that the Iraqi army isn't just full of cowards but were in Sunni held areas(Iraqi army is mostly Shiite) and were dealing with daily suicide bombings, car bombings, and guerrilla warfare, while being outgunned in Sunni areas they really didn't care about to begin with. That was reason why eventually they all fled. He said most of training they had over years was to deal with conventional style warfare and not IEDs, and car bombers but now they are being trained for that also. Thought some of this may clear some things up (for those interested). Also, for military people on TD, is this pretty close to being correct? He stated Kurdish soldiers are not at all great compared to modern armies but as of now, they are alot better than Iraqi military. He mentioned also that Kurds have no interest in Tikrit and Mosul and that's why they aren't a big play in it.
Random arse thread
ETA: I think he fought in Afghanistan, I know he went over there but I never asked and he never mentioned what all he did.
YPG is Syrian Kurds and Peshmerga is Iraqi Kurds and we talked the differences between the two. He mentioned Kobane and said YPG basically gave ISIS a taste of their own medicine, YPG was using IEDs and suicide bombings to kill ISIS and it kept Kobane in Kurds hands until U.S. airstrikes started to help out. He said Peshmerga is a more modern type military. Basically, if Peshmerga and YPG were to fight against each other, Peshmerga would win in an open field battle but YPG would win in street to street battle and they would resort to more terrorist tactics where Peshmerga wouldn't.
We were talking about Tikrit and how Iraqi military has it surrounded but wouldn't go in b/c of all the bombs planted by ISIS. He stated Peshmerga would probably do the same but YPG would have already taken it over( if they had the same amount of soldiers) and would be on their way to Mosul as we speak.
Another thing he mentioned is that the Iraqi army isn't just full of cowards but were in Sunni held areas(Iraqi army is mostly Shiite) and were dealing with daily suicide bombings, car bombings, and guerrilla warfare, while being outgunned in Sunni areas they really didn't care about to begin with. That was reason why eventually they all fled. He said most of training they had over years was to deal with conventional style warfare and not IEDs, and car bombers but now they are being trained for that also. Thought some of this may clear some things up (for those interested). Also, for military people on TD, is this pretty close to being correct? He stated Kurdish soldiers are not at all great compared to modern armies but as of now, they are alot better than Iraqi military. He mentioned also that Kurds have no interest in Tikrit and Mosul and that's why they aren't a big play in it.
Random arse thread
ETA: I think he fought in Afghanistan, I know he went over there but I never asked and he never mentioned what all he did.
This post was edited on 3/22/15 at 11:30 am
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Posted on 3/22/15 at 11:37 am to windshieldman
I have a ton of respect for the Kurds. They have been trapped in the middle of shite storms for many years and just continue to survive.
They've been given many reasons to pack up and flee, but they tough it out.
Your info is pretty accurate. Although.....Tikrit.....I'm not sure if YPG would have taken it yet either.
They've been given many reasons to pack up and flee, but they tough it out.
Your info is pretty accurate. Although.....Tikrit.....I'm not sure if YPG would have taken it yet either.
Posted on 3/22/15 at 11:41 am to WAR TIGER
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Your info is pretty accurate. Although.....Tikrit.....I'm not sure if YPG would have taken it yet either.
Yeah, we were going of scenario that YPG had 20,000 plus troops invading it like Iraqi army has right now. In reality, YPG would probably only have 1,000 or so to use for something like that.
Posted on 3/22/15 at 11:45 am to windshieldman
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He said most of training they had over years was to deal with conventional style warfare and not IEDs, and car bombers but now they are being trained for that also.
This doesn't seem accurate. I think we mostly trained them on how to fight and unconventional war because that's what we were fighting in Iraq at the time. ISIS came in using pretty conventional light infantry/mobilized infantry tactics and fricked the Iraqis up pretty bad.
Basically, they knew how to stand checkpoints and patrol for IEDs but not set up a proper defensive position or how to use fire and maneuver to attack.
That's my 2 cents but I haven't been to Iraq since 05 and was never involved with training their forces.
Posted on 3/22/15 at 11:46 am to windshieldman
I did two tours in Iraq. The Kurds are bad arse mother frickers, which is why every sect in the region fears them, to include the Turks.
Posted on 3/22/15 at 11:48 am to windshieldman
I think there's a big difference between what an army will do when its survival is at stake and what they'll do to take someone else's land back for them. So I doubt YPG would be all that eager to sacrifice many lives to retake Tikrit.
The YPG's tactics in Kobane also show that suicide bombing per se isn't some cowardly or evil act, but a strategy peoples take up when conventional military means fail them.
The YPG's tactics in Kobane also show that suicide bombing per se isn't some cowardly or evil act, but a strategy peoples take up when conventional military means fail them.
Posted on 3/22/15 at 11:50 am to LSUTiger205
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The Kurds are bad arse mother frickers, which is why every sect in the region fears them, to include the Turks.
Roughly equivalent to Montangards in that area? (sp?)
Posted on 3/22/15 at 11:51 am to windshieldman
I find this all pretty interesting...but honestly, probably didn't understand more than 15% of what you wrote... 
Posted on 3/22/15 at 11:53 am to LSUTiger205
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I did two tours in Iraq. The Kurds are bad arse mother frickers, which is why every sect in the region fears them, to include the Turks.
Thanks for your service.
My buddy mentioned his in-law(wife's uncle) said he mostly dealt with Iraqi military but somewhat with Kurds. They are completely different type people. He said Kurds were kinda class clowns, every single one of them smoked cigarettes, and were way more fun to be around than regular Iraqis. I just thought that was interesting. He said its surprising to alot of people that they are so laid back with everything and love to joke around but when SHTF, they hold their own.
Posted on 3/22/15 at 11:53 am to Spankum
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I find this all pretty interesting...but honestly, probably didn't understand more than 15% of what you wrote...
Neither do I
Posted on 3/22/15 at 11:56 am to GeauxxxTigers23
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This doesn't seem accurate. I think we mostly trained them on how to fight and unconventional war because that's what we were fighting in Iraq at the time. ISIS came in using pretty conventional light infantry/mobilized infantry tactics and fricked the Iraqis up pretty bad.
Basically, they knew how to stand checkpoints and patrol for IEDs but not set up a proper defensive position or how to use fire and maneuver to attack.
That's my 2 cents but I haven't been to Iraq since 05 and was never involved with training their forces.
Yeah, I would say IEDs and suicide bombings has turned into conventional war nowadays. I guess Iraqi military didn't expect ISIS to be as strong as they are, and maybe all those training Iraq didn't see this coming either.
Posted on 3/22/15 at 11:58 am to windshieldman
Kurdish Peshmerga are developing a reputation kind of like Gurkas. Not thT many of them, but they bring hell in a fight.
Posted on 3/22/15 at 11:58 am to Bayou Sam
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I think there's a big difference between what an army will do when its survival is at stake and what they'll do to take someone else's land back for them. So I doubt YPG would be all that eager to sacrifice many lives to retake Tikrit.
Very true, Kurds have no interest in Tikrit. We were just discussing the scenario that if they did, they would put up a better fight(possibly) than Iraqi army
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The YPG's tactics in Kobane also show that suicide bombing per se isn't some cowardly or evil act, but a strategy peoples take up when conventional military means fail them.
Was interesting reading about terrorist being killed by IEDs and suicide bombings. Just not used to seeing them getting a taste of their own medicine.
This post was edited on 3/22/15 at 11:59 am
Posted on 3/22/15 at 12:03 pm to windshieldman
Iraqi army was pretty much pussy. Iraqi police where all pussy. Kurds are very devout to their homeland, which is just a territory. You could walk down the streets of Sulamiinaya and not worry about a thing. We got hit in mosul by an IED, about 12 hours later the Kurds had found out who did and delivered them to us.
I never trusted any of the Iraqi forces. The Kurds are actually good people who appreciated us.
I never trusted any of the Iraqi forces. The Kurds are actually good people who appreciated us.
Posted on 3/22/15 at 12:07 pm to windshieldman
They need to have their own nation, but politics and trying to keep the Turks happy won't allow it.
Another group of folks who helped us is the MEK or People's Mujahadeen of Iran. They are a state department sponsored terror group. We lived with them for 6 months in Ashraf.
Another group of folks who helped us is the MEK or People's Mujahadeen of Iran. They are a state department sponsored terror group. We lived with them for 6 months in Ashraf.
Posted on 3/22/15 at 12:10 pm to LSUTiger205
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Another group of folks who helped us is the MEK or People's Mujahadeen of Iran. They are a state department sponsored terror group. We lived with them for 6 months in Ashraf.
That's interesting, are they Kurd or Shiite? I guess most of Iran is pretty much Shiite. Some people get wrapped up thinking Sunnis bad, Shiite good, but Hezbollah is a Shiite terrorist group. Do you know much about PKK, we have them on terrorist list but I figured that was b/c of the Turks.
Posted on 3/22/15 at 12:12 pm to windshieldman
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Was interesting reading about terrorist being killed by IEDs and suicide bombings. Just not used to seeing them getting a taste of their own medicine.
Yes, the YPG also call those sacrificed in a suicide bombing "martyrs".
Posted on 3/22/15 at 12:14 pm to windshieldman
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Yeah, I would say IEDs and suicide bombings has turned into conventional war nowadays. I guess Iraqi military didn't expect ISIS to be as strong as they are, and maybe all those training Iraq didn't see this coming either.
No, what I'm saying is that when ISIS invaded Iraq they used a lot of conventional infantry tactics to take ground. Sure, the used bombings and IEDs by locals who were sympathetic to their cause behind Iraqi lines to create havoc and then assaulted Iraqi positions using the same tactics that modern militaries use. The Iraq army wasn't prepared for infantry assaults on their positions.
This post was edited on 3/22/15 at 12:15 pm
Posted on 3/22/15 at 12:16 pm to windshieldman
They don't fit the mold of a particular religious sect. Females play a critical role, they helped Saddan has the Kurds, Iran hates them despite reports that they support the Ayatollah. I would call them a Shiite sect with western beliefs
Posted on 3/22/15 at 12:18 pm to GeauxxxTigers23
Only conventional tactics they used were violence of action to just overwhelm a pussy arse Iraqi army. Having trained and worked with them, the Iraqis have no national pride, just secular or tribal allegiance.
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