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re: The Top 15 Greatest Movie Villains of the Last 25 Years
Posted on 3/19/15 at 9:49 am to ManBearTiger
Posted on 3/19/15 at 9:49 am to ManBearTiger
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Message Posted by ManBearTiger List is missing Biff Tannen.
No it's not
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Posted on 3/19/15 at 9:54 am to RollTide1987
caught some of TDK on TNT the other night....man he really did knock that one out of the park. The interrogation and then his exchange with the cop watching him were outstanding. Sucks he didn't get to reprise that one.
Posted on 3/19/15 at 9:58 am to alajones
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For example, Darth Maul is not the antagonist in PM, he was just a henchman.
Henchmen are antagonists. Maul murders one of the main protagonists.... or at least the closest thing that movie has to one.
Posted on 3/19/15 at 10:55 am to LSUPERMAN
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The Top 15 Greatest Movie Villains of the Last 25 Years by LSUPERMAN
Would Warden Norton be considered as a villain?
Absofrickinglutely IMO. Captain Hadley maybe also.
And you could throw in Boggs as well....
Posted on 3/19/15 at 11:23 am to H-Town Tiger
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In my view, yes because that is the nature of the narrative structure. The Godfather is about Michael Corleone and his transformation, or his fall if you will, there fore he is the protagonist of the story, how can he be the villain? I would argue he is evil, but with in that particular story he is the protagonist. If he is the villain, who is the hero?
Same with Lector, he is a supporting protagonist (BTW this another pet peeve of mine, but neither Brando for the GF or Hopkins for Lambs should have won best actor but best supporting actor sure, great performances, but that's another thread ). Anyway, if SOTL, Buffalo Bill is the villain, he's the antagonist, he's the guy they are chasing.
Spot on.
Lecter is not a villain, and the seemingly hypnotic form of his performance has made people label him incorrectly constantly (and laud him incorrectly, he isn't THAT good). He's scary, he's evil, but he isn't THE antagonist.
And even villain is a difficult word to use, it's too closely related to the idea of narrative and who is the focus.
Posted on 3/19/15 at 11:35 am to OMLandshark
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I really don't know why Hannibal Lecter is seen as one of the greatest villains of all times, but Buffalo Bill isn't. Buffalo Bill is way more terrifying to me than Lecter, not to mention Lecter is a supporting protagonist in Silence of the Lambs. I really think it's insane to mention him that much in the subject of great villains, when Bill is rarely mentioned.
The scene where Lecter kills the guards and escapes should answer your question. That scene in the ambulance..
Also,Buffalo Bill was just too weird.
This post was edited on 3/19/15 at 11:37 am
Posted on 3/19/15 at 11:37 am to REG861
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The scene where Lecter kills the guards and escapes should answer your question.
Well, Lecter needed to escape, and did so in a horrifying manner. I still don't know why this makes him one of the greatest villains of all time when he's clearly not the antagonist. I think that should be a qualifier when being so-called one of the greatest villains.
Posted on 3/19/15 at 11:39 am to OMLandshark
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Well, Lecter needed to escape, and did so in a horrifying manner. I still don't know why this makes him one of the greatest villains of all time when he's clearly not the antagonis
Ok, in the original Star Wars trilogy, the REAL antagonist was the Emperor. Does that mean Vader is not eligible?
Posted on 3/19/15 at 11:42 am to OMLandshark
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I really don't know why Hannibal Lecter is seen as one of the greatest villains of all times, but Buffalo Bill isn't. Buffalo Bill is way more terrifying to me than Lecter
I couldn't agree more, I've argued with my friends for so long about this. He's really overshadowed in that film, the scene where he's dancing and tucks his manhood is freaky.
I would add the T-1000 to the list.
Posted on 3/19/15 at 11:42 am to RLDSC FAN
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I would add the T-1000 to the lis
agreed
Posted on 3/19/15 at 11:45 am to REG861
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Ok, in the original Star Wars trilogy, the REAL antagonist was the Emperor. Does that mean Vader is not eligible?
Vader is still the antagonist though, particularly in Empire where he answers to really no one and just ruthlessly kills his own men. He is against everyone in that film, including the Emperor who he's actively plotting on murdering. He's without question the main antagonist in The Empire Strikes Back, although he is supporting to Tarkin in the original, and then to the Emperor in Return of the Jedi. Just because the Emperor is the source of this doesn't make him the main antagonist. It's like saying Hitler is the main antagonist in Schindler's List. He's a far off source of evil, but not the one running the day-to-day evil in the Empire.
Posted on 3/19/15 at 11:55 am to Ace Midnight
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And I don't want to take anything away from Fiennes, but I felt the portrayal was low-key - probably true to life and realistic and done deliberately.
His low-key appraoch made the performance all the more chilling and incredible.
Dude was a monster.
Posted on 3/19/15 at 12:14 pm to Freauxzen
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but he isn't THE antagonist
Nonsense, Freauxzen.
He's Clarisse's antagonist. The broader plot about chasing Buffalo Bill - a cheap, tawdry knockoff of Lecter - heck, you didn't pick up on the subtle hints that Lecter mentored the guy, encouraged the guy, even if only indirectly through this "old patient" of his? So that he would get the opportunity to "consult" and ultimately escape?
Lecter is a GREAT antagonist.
This post was edited on 3/19/15 at 12:24 pm
Posted on 3/19/15 at 12:19 pm to REG861
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The scene where Lecter kills the guards and escapes should answer your question. That scene in the ambulance
That show's he's evil, but with in the narrative of the story, he's not the antagonist.
Posted on 3/19/15 at 12:22 pm to RLDSC FAN
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He's really overshadowed in that film, the scene where he's dancing and tucks his manhood is freaky.
And I don't want to take away from Levine's performance - it was chilling and marvelous (and, overshadowed, as you suggest by Sir Anthony) - but if you guys haven't figured out that he was a little more than a red herring placed into the world by Lector - I don't know what to tell y'all.
Hannibal Lecter is THE antagonist of that film, period. It is clear from the first scene with him and Clarisse all the way through to the end.
This post was edited on 3/19/15 at 12:25 pm
Posted on 3/19/15 at 12:24 pm to REG861
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Ok, in the original Star Wars trilogy, the REAL antagonist was the Emperor. Does that mean Vader is not eligible?
Vader is the main antagonist don't confuse the hierarchy of the universe they live in with the narrative of the story. However, a great villain doesn't necessarily have to be the primary villain/antagonist he just can't be a protagonist imo.
This post was edited on 3/19/15 at 12:28 pm
Posted on 3/19/15 at 12:30 pm to H-Town Tiger
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Vader is the main antagonist, however, a great villain doesn't necessarily have to be the primary villain/antagonist he just can't be a protagonist imo.
I really don't know how someone can watch "The Empire Strikes Back" and not think of Vader as the main antagonist in that movie. He's actively plotting to kill the Emperor, repeatably murders his own men who frick up, ruthlessly follows Han into an asteroid field (leading likely to the deaths of thousands of his own men) and is only after Luke and his friends for entirely self serving reasons. Pretty much the only person Vader doesn't frick with is Boba Fett, and even that's debatable since he insists on cryogenically freezing Han which could kill him and ruin the bounty.
Posted on 3/19/15 at 12:35 pm to OMLandshark
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I really don't know how someone can watch "The Empire Strikes Back" and not think of Vader as the main antagonist in that movie.
Vader is a badass in Empire.
He is unleashed.
Posted on 3/19/15 at 12:38 pm to OMLandshark
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I really don't know how someone can watch "The Empire Strikes Back" and not think of Vader as the main antagonist in that movie.
Vader is the main antagonist in A New Hope, as well, although not obviously so with Tarkin "holding his leash". It pivots to Palpatine for Jedi.
Posted on 3/19/15 at 12:42 pm to Ace Midnight
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He's Clarisse's antagonist.
No he's not. He is not antagonistic towards Clarise.
If anything, he plays the role of mentor.
He guides her on her quest to slay her inner demons.
She is her own main antagonist.
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