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re: AD Ranks #1 in Bill Simmons Annual Trade Value Column
Posted on 3/17/15 at 6:08 pm to htran90
Posted on 3/17/15 at 6:08 pm to htran90
Looking at those numbers, Harden's, James', Westbrook's turnover rates are pretty poor. And Harden's FG% seems abysmally low for a guy who likes to get to the basket and take high %age layups. I'm starting to wonder why we're even talking about some of these guys.
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Posted on 3/17/15 at 6:15 pm to Fontainebleau Dr.
All i know is that the rockets lost their last 3 games to the pels. Rockets are the pels bitch. Fact.
Posted on 3/17/15 at 6:19 pm to htran90
Mmm good question. Of all of those stats the one with the most predictive value is win shares. 4 of the last 5 MVPs lead the league in win shares.
Posted on 3/17/15 at 6:26 pm to Boomshockalocka
quote:4 of the last 5 MVPs lead the league in PER
4 of the last 5 MVPs lead the league in win shares.
Posted on 3/17/15 at 6:29 pm to Fearthehat0307
Great. PER does not lead to wins. Win shares does. So that settles that IMO.
Posted on 3/17/15 at 6:30 pm to TigerinATL
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But he’s going to be young and great only once. This doesn’t happen often. Cross your fingers.
that made the hair on the back of neck stand up.
and he's right, we are witnessing a phenomenon in the making, without any ceiling and he's just know harnessing his powers
what a time to be a fan
Posted on 3/17/15 at 6:33 pm to Boomshockalocka
quote:settles what? you just said win shares was the best predictive value because 4 out of the last 5 mvps lead the league in it. the same could be said for per. i'm not arguing a side i'm just raising the level of discussion on this board by informing the uninformed
Great. PER does not lead to wins. Win shares does. So that settles that IMO.
This post was edited on 3/17/15 at 6:34 pm
Posted on 3/17/15 at 6:35 pm to SuperSoakher
Bro the Rockets beat the Spurs something like 7 of 8 but you don't hear us calling the Spurs our bitch. How about a little respect for teams that are more successful than yours?
Posted on 3/17/15 at 6:37 pm to Fearthehat0307
I've been busy today working, so I only really read the long climax at the end of the Simmons article about Davis. Did he have anything to say about Dwight Howard?
Posted on 3/17/15 at 6:39 pm to Fearthehat0307
Ok ok in that case I appreciate it. I end up having to post a for the same reason more times than i'd really like to. 
This post was edited on 3/17/15 at 6:40 pm
Posted on 3/17/15 at 7:07 pm to Boomshockalocka
Kevin Garnett led the NBA in win shares in 04-05, and they won 44 games. They didnt even make the playoffs.
Posted on 3/17/15 at 9:00 pm to TigerinATL
F yes. Love that our resident troll is so butt hurt. "Best player in the NBA based on what metric....yada yada yada..."
If AD played for Houston we would NEVER hear the end of his greatness. Unfortunately for PT's troll, AD plays for the Pels. That is so satisfying.
If AD played for Houston we would NEVER hear the end of his greatness. Unfortunately for PT's troll, AD plays for the Pels. That is so satisfying.
Posted on 3/17/15 at 9:24 pm to Solo
sorry can't agree with that post at all, normally you do a good job but that post is rubbish.
Posted on 3/17/15 at 9:25 pm to Boomshockalocka
How's it rubbish?
Posted on 3/17/15 at 9:29 pm to LosLobos111
If AD played for HOU I would rank him accordingly just like I do all players. Throughout the entirety of the thread no one could give me a reason why AD was the games #1 player other than PER. PER is a nice metric but it's not the best that's something we can all agree on.
Posted on 3/17/15 at 9:31 pm to Boomshockalocka
PER is ok but I feel it's a bit slanted towards bigs tbh.
Posted on 3/17/15 at 9:31 pm to Boomshockalocka
Don't be jealous.
Posted on 3/17/15 at 10:03 pm to Boomshockalocka
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If AD played for HOU I would rank him accordingly just like I do all players. Throughout the entirety of the thread no one could give me a reason why AD was the games #1 player other than PER.
Need to read the article and stop trolling alert!!!
The column is about tradeable assets, not about the best player in the league. AD is #1 because of his age and his contract. He is legitimately a top 5 player by any ranking or metric, with the advantage lying in his projected future length of career and contract leverage to his current team.
Posted on 3/17/15 at 10:15 pm to Boomshockalocka
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Pels are .500 against the east. A .500 team in the East would barely be in the playoffs right now(by a couple games)
Seriously? You think that's logically sound? Pathetic. Law of averages would see our record increase to the expected over a large sample size. What a dumbass comment.
Cooincidently, a big part of our poor record against the East is AD missing a disproportionate amount of those games.
Posted on 3/17/15 at 10:22 pm to Boomshockalocka
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Great. PER does not lead to wins. Win shares does. So that settles that IMO.
PER is not biased by the amount of games a person plays. We are looking at who the best basketball player is, not who played the most games. Is Brandan Knight now better than Paul George since he played more games?
Your argument is valid for MVP. We aren't talking about who the 2015 MVP is. We are talking about who is the best player in basketball. It is completely irrelevant that Westbrook and Lebron missed a chunk of games, yet Win Shares reflects that. Hence, a bias.
Also, I think you are confused about how the stat is calculated. They don't literally lead to win shares. The estimated wins added is a comparable stat using PER and minutes played. AD leads the league in that with Harden close behind despite having played in many more games.
This post was edited on 3/17/15 at 10:31 pm
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