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re: When would you say the initial decline in music began?
Posted on 3/19/15 at 9:58 pm to Tunasntigers92
Posted on 3/19/15 at 9:58 pm to Tunasntigers92
I dont know if i can say with any certainty when the decline started. But it was somewhere around the 90s. Music just has not been the same. And i largely credit the end of the 80s and the birth of electronic "music". Rather than playing instruments and perfecting the art of playing music, you can loop beats through your computer and sample other people's work, etc...
And the record labels also are largely due some credit. Labels, DJs, MTV, and Rolling Stone Magazine.
I can say factually, and without question, the the exact moment music died was documented for all generations to come. Whether or not anyone knew it at the time is perhaps debatable, but I think they knew what they were doing. McCartney is largely credited as one of the most influential musicians of all time. The Beatles, the little group from Liverpool that started it all, can now also be credited with ending music. Thankfully Harrison and Lennon already died, so they don't have to kill themselves. But the truth remains, music is dead. Here it is, captured on film:
And the record labels also are largely due some credit. Labels, DJs, MTV, and Rolling Stone Magazine.
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these are people who want you to write sanctimonious stories about the genius of rock stars. And they will ruin rock 'n' roll, and strangle everything we love about it, right? You know, because they're trying to buy respectability for a form that is gloriously and righteously dumb. Now, you're smart enough to know that. And the day it ceases to be dumb is the day that it ceases to be real, right? And then it just becomes an industry of cool. I'm-I'm telling ya, you're comin' along at a very dangerous time for rock 'n' roll. I mean, the war is over. They won. And 99% of what passes for rock 'n' roll these days, silence is more compelling.
I can say factually, and without question, the the exact moment music died was documented for all generations to come. Whether or not anyone knew it at the time is perhaps debatable, but I think they knew what they were doing. McCartney is largely credited as one of the most influential musicians of all time. The Beatles, the little group from Liverpool that started it all, can now also be credited with ending music. Thankfully Harrison and Lennon already died, so they don't have to kill themselves. But the truth remains, music is dead. Here it is, captured on film:
This post was edited on 3/19/15 at 10:06 pm
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Posted on 3/19/15 at 11:40 pm to Breesus
Have y'all heard that song 'four five seconds'?
I really like it.
I really like it.
Posted on 3/20/15 at 6:58 pm to Breesus
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I dont know if i can say with any certainty when the decline started. But it was somewhere around the 90s. Music just has not been the same.
When MTV stopped playing music videos was a big blow. Not that what they were playing towards the end was great but at least it was something I guess looking back in hindsight.
The internet then really helped and changed things in a big way. You can now listen to just about anything and everything. The only thing is now with all that's out there and available and all the different genres and independent artist the audience is more fractured now than ever and its hard for any one artist to catch on big. Not that it was every really easy for them.
These days I don't really listen to much current music. I've been spending more time with my father and listen to what he's always loved, classical music.
Posted on 3/20/15 at 7:01 pm to constant cough
quote:When MTV started playing music videos was a big blow
When MTV stopped playing music videos was a big blow
Posted on 3/20/15 at 7:08 pm to Kafka
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When MTV started playing music videos was a big blow
I guess you could make that argument. Being born in 79 I don't really have much of a pre-MTV memory and I heard Kyuss for the first time on MTV so it couldn't have been all that bad. 
Posted on 3/20/15 at 7:17 pm to Tunasntigers92
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When would you say the initial decline in music began?
The re-emergence of boy bands and pop princesses.
Posted on 3/20/15 at 7:18 pm to SEClint
Yeah, they didn't help.
Posted on 3/20/15 at 8:41 pm to Tunasntigers92
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I'm glad you posted this, I personally think music went to shite when synthesizers became popular. There just isn't as much soul and meaning in a piece of music that was produced using things like synthisizers, this is just my two cents.
Yay closed mindedness!!!
Posted on 3/20/15 at 9:46 pm to Draconian Sanctions
Its a personal opinion you jackass, if you have a problem with it I don't care to hear about it.
Posted on 3/20/15 at 10:17 pm to Tunasntigers92
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Its a personal opinion
Wrong, it was an ignorant and objectively false statement.
Saying "I prefer rock to electronic" would be a personal opinion. Insisting that there isn't as much meaning in a piece of music based SOLEY on a certain instrument is something different entirely.
Posted on 3/20/15 at 10:22 pm to Draconian Sanctions
Go drink a beer and roll some smoke my man, you seem like a miserable individual.
Posted on 3/20/15 at 10:23 pm to Tunasntigers92
I'm generally happy but I do get annoyed when people say really really stupid shite 
Posted on 3/20/15 at 11:58 pm to Tunasntigers92
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There just isn't as much soul and meaning in a piece of music that was produced using things like synthisizers
Posted on 3/21/15 at 7:34 am to Draconian Sanctions
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Saying "I prefer rock to electronic" would be a personal opinion. Insisting that there isn't as much meaning in a piece of music based SOLEY on a certain instrument is something different entirely.
No, because before electronica, even though people were using machines to augment their music, they still had to actually, you know, PLAY the machine. They still had to hit all the notes, press all the keys. Once electronica happened in the 80s, artists could "sample" tracks from other people. They would compose or recycle in machines drum and bass beats and then layer over top synthesized tones for melodies. Their compositions were not without merit, but what it lost was a connection to the music that can only be accomplished through live performance. This music could not really be "performed" live in the traditional sense of musicians gathering with their instruments to produce music. Instead, it became a recitation of pre-recorded tracks combined with a spectacle. They combined the specticals of bands like Kiss and paired it with technology to create an experience that felt like a concert, but lacked the soul of a human being playing his music. It's too clean, too artificial, too perfect.
Real music has wrong notes, it has slightly off pitches, it has feed back, it has echos, sine waves, intonation issues, ect. One should not be able to call themselves an artists just because they can hit the play button on a computer or just because they can Frankenstein other people's music to form some different mix they call their own. Would I be an artist if I took the bass track from Tool, threw it over an old Sugar Hill Gang drum track and added some horns from a James Brown song? Am I an artist?
Posted on 3/21/15 at 8:59 am to kingbob
Even if I went along with your line of thinking, and I'm not saying I am because it's extremely short sighted (I personally am not a fan of say Skrillex, but to say his live shows aren't "real" is just not true), but even if I did agree with you, you're still only talking about only one part of electronic music and essentially throwing the baby out with the bathwater because there's a lot of totally original electronic based music out there.
I have neither the time nor the patience to get into a full blown philosophy of art discussion right but you really just don't know what you're talking about, like here:
What does or doesn't qualify something as art doesn't have anything to do with the method in which your work is created. Again this is a looooong discussion and I will come back to this thread to talk about it when I have more time but you're looking at it in the complete wrong way. Anything that can be done can be done well and thoughtfully and can be art. The instrument itself has absolutely nothing to do with it anymore than the utensils a cook uses to make a meal makes that meal any more or less good. The substance, the ingredients if you will, are completely independent from the type of spatula the chef used.
What you're saying though is essentially that Kid Rock is more of a real artist than Trent Reznor, just because the former plays a guitar. That's a completely laughable position and highlights just how little you know about electronic music or art in general.
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One should not be able to call themselves an artists just because they can hit the play button on a computer or just because they can Frankenstein other people's music to form some different mix they call their own.
I have neither the time nor the patience to get into a full blown philosophy of art discussion right but you really just don't know what you're talking about, like here:
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Would I be an artist if I took the bass track from Tool, threw it over an old Sugar Hill Gang drum track and added some horns from a James Brown song? Am I an artist?
What does or doesn't qualify something as art doesn't have anything to do with the method in which your work is created. Again this is a looooong discussion and I will come back to this thread to talk about it when I have more time but you're looking at it in the complete wrong way. Anything that can be done can be done well and thoughtfully and can be art. The instrument itself has absolutely nothing to do with it anymore than the utensils a cook uses to make a meal makes that meal any more or less good. The substance, the ingredients if you will, are completely independent from the type of spatula the chef used.
What you're saying though is essentially that Kid Rock is more of a real artist than Trent Reznor, just because the former plays a guitar. That's a completely laughable position and highlights just how little you know about electronic music or art in general.
This post was edited on 3/21/15 at 9:05 am
Posted on 3/21/15 at 9:06 am to Tunasntigers92
"Whenever I turned 21" is the correct answer. You just don't like new stuff as much after a certain age, scientist attribute it to your soul slowly beginning to die at the end of youth.
Posted on 3/21/15 at 9:22 am to kingbob
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Am I an artist?
yes
are you a musician?
probably not.
Posted on 3/21/15 at 9:48 am to Draconian Sanctions
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What you're saying though is essentially that Kid Rock is more of a real artist than Trent Reznor, just because the former plays a guitar.
I don't know about "artist" as Kid Rock's latest hit is exactly the kind of hackishness I decry (sampling parts of "Sweet Home Alabama" and "Warewolves of London" among others), but he is certainly more of a musician.
Musician =/= performing artist =/= composer
The decline of music meme is based on the concept that at some point, the overall quality of the music being performed and composed began to deteriorate. One can create art without "performing" it. In my personal opinion, a person recording original electronica is not a musician unless they pick up an instrument, but they are a composer. They may be an artist in that they are creating art, but if they do not "perform" that music live, then they are not a "performing artist".
You are correct in that it is a very heady and grey debate, but so is debating whether or not music has declined and the date at which such a delineation began to occur.
Posted on 3/21/15 at 12:02 pm to Tunasntigers92
when nirvana started the grunge music in 90
Posted on 3/21/15 at 1:22 pm to oldcharlie8
Maybe a little after them, I don't have anything against nirvana or grunge.
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