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re: Biggest Coaching Blunder Yet
Posted on 3/15/15 at 8:54 pm to TigerinATL
Posted on 3/15/15 at 8:54 pm to TigerinATL
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Because size can kill too. Just see Asik in the last game vs. the Nuggets. 42 wrote an article a few months ago about Monty and loss aversion, you're not going to get against the grain coaching out of him.
Could you link that? Interested to read....
And exactly.... What does that even mean, speed kills? No it doesn't. Centers are 7 feet. They arent fast. We played a 6'8" 220 guy at center. Because speed kills? are there even 7 footers in basketball? Just put a small guy in and the coach will have to take them out because they'll remember somebody told them that speed killed.
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Posted on 3/15/15 at 8:55 pm to massiveattack
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This post was edited on 3/15/15 at 9:19 pm
Posted on 3/15/15 at 8:56 pm to TheSexecutioner
Didn't see the game at all. Was Davis guarding Faried during that stretch?
Posted on 3/15/15 at 8:59 pm to chesty
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Asik better have been hurting for him to have not been playing. Was he getting abused earlier? I missed first half
Not at all. He was incredibly dominant. Similar to last time against the Nuggets. 8 offensive rebounds and at least another 1 where he got fouled so wasn't actually credited with the rebound. Maybe 2 of those. But in any event, at least 9 offensive rebounds and 14 total in 23 minutes. It was reminiscent of the last Denver game where he dominated and allowed 0 offensive rebounds and Monty took him out and let Ajinca give up 20+ second chance points in the same amount of minutes.
Of course he stone handed a pass and missed a layup, so he was right on season average for that.
Posted on 3/15/15 at 9:01 pm to corndeaux
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Didn't see the game at all. Was Davis guarding Faried during that stretch?
He guarded Faried for a good portion. But not really important. Its not like they were running half court sets through either of their big men. We just didnt have near enough size in for team rebounding. Perfect illustration was the last real defensive possession. They missed a shot and Davis had to knock it out of bounds because he was the only competent rebounder in trying to take way too large of an area.
Posted on 3/15/15 at 9:06 pm to TheSexecutioner
Gotcha. Continuous weird decisions by Monty with Asik. Was that possession out of a timeout?
Posted on 3/15/15 at 9:09 pm to TheSexecutioner
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Could you link that? Interested to read....
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What does that even mean, speed kills?
It's a saying, what it really means is mismatches kill. Like htran said, the speed advantage is maximized on the perimeter, the size advantage is maximized on the interior. Denver playing 4 perimeter players forces your hand if you forget that AD nullifies traditional rules.
Posted on 3/15/15 at 9:09 pm to corndeaux
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Gotcha. Continuous weird decisions by Monty with Asik. Was that possession out of a timeout?
No. But Asik didn't play at all at the end of the game or either overtime. Apparently, Monty thinks being tall is only useful in certain parts of a basketball game.
Posted on 3/15/15 at 9:14 pm to TigerinATL
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It's a saying, what it really means is mismatches kill. Like htran said, the speed advantage is maximized on the perimeter, the size advantage is maximized on the interior. Denver playing 4 perimeter players forces your hand if you forget that AD nullifies traditional rules.
I know its a saying. But what does it mean in any kind of logical sense? Its an unweighted adage. If speed killed meant anything, the league wouldn't be filled with 7 footers.
Why does that force your hand? By that logic, no front courts would exist because speed kills so your hand would always be forced to take big men out with the exception of AD, Nerlens Noel, and a couple of others.
Why isn't it size kills? and Denver's hand should have been forced and if they were unable to match it because of a lack of personnel..... well, thats part of the reason they are a losing team and Kenneth Faried isn't an all-star. That's what the empirical evidence actual suggests. You know the fact that almost every team in the league plays a 7 foot center.
Yes, speed may seem to be effective in 1 on 1 guarding situations. But what you gain there you lose in rim protection on help defense and rebounding. If you want to see the exact weighting of it in actuality, look at the NBA. Sure, its a combination of speed and size ideally, but the size is way more freakish and important, especially in the front court.
Posted on 3/15/15 at 9:19 pm to TheSexecutioner
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No. But Asik didn't play at all at the end of the game or either overtime. Apparently, Monty thinks being tall is only useful in certain parts of a basketball game.
You know what's truly maddening? We've been playing our best basketball of the season going big, and Monty abandoned it just cause the other team didn't want to match up like that. It will truly be interesting to watch Monty try to wade through a 7 game series without looking like a total dumbass when we get there eventually.
Posted on 3/15/15 at 9:26 pm to TheSexecutioner
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Why isn't it size kills?
It does when Ajinca is hot or Asik is outrebounding them by a large margin (he wasn't, he was better yes, but not dominant like last game). Our bigs weren't playing well. I think Asik's stat line was better than his actual play. Monty usually doesn't play Withey unless he has to or it's a blowout. He clearly wasn't happy with what he got from Ajinca/Asik.
Posted on 3/15/15 at 9:28 pm to TheSexecutioner
To be fair, teams are going smaller, or at least playing stretch 4s, and eschewing traditional front courts more frequently. But those teams have the personnel to still matchup on defense while doing so. The Pellies still don't have the wing defenders nor the team defense concepts down to play that way.
It's just baffling that Monty refused to go small for much of last year with Steimsma/Ajinça, but now does it far too often. And I am a small ball believer.
It's just baffling that Monty refused to go small for much of last year with Steimsma/Ajinça, but now does it far too often. And I am a small ball believer.
Posted on 3/15/15 at 9:54 pm to TigerinATL
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Asik is outrebounding them by a large margin (he wasn't, he was better yes, but not dominant like last game)
What are you talking about? He grabbed 13 rebounds in 24 minutes. 8 offensive. In what world is that not out rebounding them by a large margin?
Posted on 3/15/15 at 9:57 pm to TigerinATL
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Monty usually doesn't play Withey unless he has to or it's a blowout. He clearly wasn't happy with what he got from Ajinca/Asik.
He wasn't happy with Ajinca. Had absolutely ZERO to do with Asik. Asik came out when he always does. 8 minutes or so into the first quarter. Ajinca came in and immediately made 2 of the most inexcusable lack of focus turnovers on outlet passes, negated a 3 by not knowing the rules of basketball and fouling while screening and giving an offensive rebound up. That in a span of like 2 minutes.
So he was quickly yanked for Withey because he wasn't gonna put Asik back in after having rested for only 2 minutes.
Posted on 3/15/15 at 9:58 pm to TheSexecutioner
Gonna go out on a limb and say when you're protecting a lead in the last second, their PF has been getting inside advantage, and you don't trot out your best interior defender.... you have issues.
Posted on 3/15/15 at 10:15 pm to htran90
The issue with this team is perimeter defense.
Denver rolled out a small lineup to exploit this. While Asik did well in his 24 minutes individually, it was not making a big impact overall. Right or wrong, Monty went with perimeter defense over interior defense.
In the end, this game boiled down to turnovers, in my opinion. Tyreke amd Ajinca combined for 10.
Denver rolled out a small lineup to exploit this. While Asik did well in his 24 minutes individually, it was not making a big impact overall. Right or wrong, Monty went with perimeter defense over interior defense.
In the end, this game boiled down to turnovers, in my opinion. Tyreke amd Ajinca combined for 10.
Posted on 3/15/15 at 10:17 pm to TheSexecutioner
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What are you talking about? He grabbed 13 rebounds in 24 minutes. 8 offensive. In what world is that not out rebounding them by a large margin?
Have you checked out the box scores on stats.nba.com vs. regular nba.com? It has many more features, including the ability to filter the box score by quarter/half etc. LINK
1st half not much of a rebounding advantage, 24-20 Pels. Asik had 7 in 14 minutes at that point. 3rd quarter, Asik has 5 boards in almost 8 minutes, Pels up 14-13 boards in the quarter. 4th quarter Asik has 1 board in a little over 2 minutes, but Pels still win the quarter handily 12 - 7. So they actually had a significantly higher rebounding margin playing small ball than traditional.
Again, I still agree that Asik should have gotten more time in the 4th, but the 8 missed FTs and 5 TOs above the team average is what lost the game more than the rebounding edge in the 4th being 12-7 instead of 14-5.
Posted on 3/15/15 at 10:26 pm to TigerinATL
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1st half not much of a rebounding advantage, 24-20 Pels. Asik had 7 in 14 minutes at that point. 3rd quarter, Asik has 5 boards in almost 8 minutes, Pels up 14-13 boards in the quarter. 4th quarter Asik has 1 board in a little over 2 minutes, but Pels still win the quarter handily 12 - 7. So they actually had a significantly higher rebounding margin playing small ball than traditional.
Come on man..... He grabbed 8 offensive rebounds in 24 minutes. They did not have a significantly higher rebounding margin playing small ball just because Asik played more minutes in the 1st than in the 4th.
Asik dominated the boards. In only half of the 48 regulation minutes, he got as many offensive rebounds himself as the whole Denver team got over all 48 minutes combined. That's utter domination.
This post was edited on 3/15/15 at 10:29 pm
Posted on 3/15/15 at 10:31 pm to TheSexecutioner
You're acting like I'm saying he wouldn't have helped, I'm saying they had bigger problems that better rebounding alone doesn't over come. Asik wasn't looking dominant to the eye test because he wasn't able to even challenge penetrators that had beaten their man, bad perimeter defense like 42 mentioned.
This post was edited on 3/15/15 at 10:36 pm
Posted on 3/15/15 at 10:43 pm to TigerinATL
Issue is, we saw faried get his way inside with AD having to do too much to help perimeter defense.
We can all agree Tyreke is a horrible defender, but is asik in instead of Tyreke going to be a worse outcome in the last second? I honestly disagree.
We can all agree Tyreke is a horrible defender, but is asik in instead of Tyreke going to be a worse outcome in the last second? I honestly disagree.
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