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Posted on 3/12/15 at 10:35 am to TheRookbird
Well they do count for away goals in regulation if there is a tie. Except we had two 1-1 scores. If Chelsea tied 2-2 in Paris, there would have been no ET and they would have advanced. Your outrage is misguided.
Posted on 3/12/15 at 10:36 am to McCaigBro69
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Penalties are the most bullshite way to decide a match.
They way it is now is perfect.
I'd rather go to penalties than have it decided by away goals.
Posted on 3/12/15 at 10:36 am to TheRookbird
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If anything, golden goal makes sense in ET if it is the 2nd leg the more I think about it.
I could back this.
Posted on 3/12/15 at 10:37 am to EastNastySwag
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Well they do count for away goals in regulation if there is a tie. Except we had two 1-1 scores. If Chelsea tied 2-2 in Paris, there would have been no ET and they would have advanced. Your outrage is misguided.
Well no shite Sherlock. I'm saying they should ONLY be counted for regulation. Did you even read the thread?
Posted on 3/12/15 at 10:38 am to TheRookbird
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Well they do count for away goals in regulation if there is a tie. Except we had two 1-1 scores. If Chelsea tied 2-2 in Paris, there would have been no ET and they would have advanced. Your outrage is misguided.
Well no shite Sherlock. I'm saying they should ONLY be counted for regulation. Did you even read the thread?
Posted on 3/12/15 at 10:39 am to TheRookbird
I agree it's slightly unfair. The other side of the coin is that one team gets home field advantage in the decisive leg of the tie. Take yesterday as an example - I don't think Ibra gets shown that red in Paris. Chelsea got the home field advantage in the second leg and should have finished off the tie. They were punished by letting it get to extra time.
Posted on 3/12/15 at 10:39 am to bbap
Is it inherently unfair? Of course.
But i personally prefer it to penalties and golden goal.
But i personally prefer it to penalties and golden goal.
Posted on 3/12/15 at 10:40 am to TheRookbird
Oooookay rookie go fukk yourself. You're acting like a Chelsea fanboy. You still make no sense.
Posted on 3/12/15 at 10:44 am to EastNastySwag
You're the one playing captain obvious swaggy p.
Posted on 3/12/15 at 10:44 am to PeepleHeppinBidness
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I agree it's slightly unfair. The other side of the coin is that one team gets home field advantage in the decisive leg of the tie. Take yesterday as an example - I don't think Ibra gets shown that red in Paris. Chelsea got the home field advantage in the second leg and should have finished off the tie. They were punished by letting it get to extra time.
There is some truth to this. You have to also think that with golden goal/penalties on the 2nd leg, you're giving the home team a small advantage in the decisive OT period. There's really no fully equitable way to decide it. I guess the merit behind it is to encourage the best brand of actual football they can get and perhaps the away goals ET decider does just that.
Posted on 3/12/15 at 10:48 am to PeepleHeppinBidness
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I agree it's slightly unfair. The other side of the coin is that one team gets home field advantage in the decisive leg of the tie. Take yesterday as an example - I don't think Ibra gets shown that red in Paris. Chelsea got the home field advantage in the second leg and should have finished off the tie. They were punished by letting it get to extra time.
100% agree with this. I really do like the away goals rule. I think it adds a real element of strategy and keeps teams aggressive on the away leg. BUT there are clear disadvantages on both sides. But it's way better than penalty kicks. It's never going to be perfect.
This post was edited on 3/12/15 at 10:49 am
Posted on 3/12/15 at 11:08 am to McCaigBro69
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Penalties are the most bullshitee way to decide a match.
Penalties are bullshite but even more bullshite is goals counting more depending on where they were scored. This is coming from someone who is a fan of a team who has gone through on away goals plenty of times so it's not sour grapes from yesterday. It's just a bad rule but if you're going to be a soccer fan you just have to somehow deal with the ineptitude of its governing bodies to make any sense.
It's pretty hard to do sometimes.
Posted on 3/12/15 at 11:13 am to PeepleHeppinBidness
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Take yesterday as an example - I don't think Ibra gets shown that red in Paris.
As much as they got screwed yesterday on the red what they got away with in Paris was just as bad.
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Chelsea got the home field advantage in the second leg
By virtue of winning our group.
Posted on 3/12/15 at 11:14 am to TheRookbird
There exists data that suggests home field advantage exists in soccer. The home team gets 30 more minutes of that advantage if a tie goes to extra time. The away goals rule in extra time helps neutralize it.
Posted on 3/12/15 at 11:32 am to Anfield Road
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There exists data that suggests home field advantage exists in soccer.
Of course. Teams also play differently on the road than they do on their home pitch (more conservative away vs. more attacking at home) which probably accounts for some of that data.
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The home team gets 30 more minutes of that advantage if a tie goes to extra time. The away goals rule in extra time helps neutralize it.
It does more than neutralize it. It provides a clear advantage to the away team.
I do, however, buy the reasoning that the rule exists to provide the highest quality of play in ET. It does potentially encourage the home team to bunker and play for penalties while encouraging the away team to attack which is the opposite of the standard strategy you see.
This post was edited on 3/12/15 at 11:33 am
Posted on 3/12/15 at 1:01 pm to TheRookbird
I don't see how anybody can not love the away goals rule. It's the only way soccer can achieve the greatest of sports moments, going from down to ahead in a single score. Makes for such great drama like we had yesterday. I doubt it's really that inherently unfair anyway, you'd have to show me some data saying the away team advances at a significantly greater than 50% rate when matches go to extra time to convince me. Getting the extra 30 minutes and potentially PKs at home is quite a benefit.
Posted on 3/12/15 at 1:04 pm to TallMan
I think the biggest issue for me is just that a two legged tie is supposed to find a winner over these legs. The issues come when neither team wins either game. It seems tough for me to say either team is better or deserves to advance when neither game reflects that in the scoreline. I wish we had capability to play a third game at a neutral site, similarly to how older ties were decided.
Posted on 3/12/15 at 1:08 pm to TheRookbird
It´s fine, as is.
Posted on 3/12/15 at 1:18 pm to TallMan
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I don't see how anybody can not love the away goals rule. It's the only way soccer can achieve the greatest of sports moments, going from down to ahead in a single score. Makes for such great drama like we had yesterday.
Great drama and being a good "fair" way to decide a game are two totally different things. Penalties are great drama but they are terrible too.
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