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Post Tension Slab
Posted on 3/7/15 at 9:10 pm
Posted on 3/7/15 at 9:10 pm
There seems to be many homes in Texas that use post tension slabs due to soil but not a lot in Louisiana that I have noticed. Friends just built house and already have major cracks in brick pavers along with other various foundation issues. I will be building shortly and am trying to study up on concrete since it is one of the most important things on a new home. Any advice on post tension or the traditional rebar? Tips on concrete contractors or forms?
Posted on 3/7/15 at 9:18 pm to daviddsims
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There seems to be many homes in Texas that use post tension slabs due to soil
Because they have sandy soil that shifts a lot and it is almost impossible to find a good clay bed to build a pad. Some parts of Louisiana are the same but for the most part you can usually find a clay bed if you dig deep enough. I know the COE makes contractors use post tension slabs on Ft Polk because of sandy soil around there.
I have had to dig very deep before in South LA just to get past the old gumbo mud we have here. That can be as bad as sandy soil for a slab. It never seems to harden up. Might be your friends issue.
I have also seen some PT slabs that the builder didn't know what he was doing and it ruined the building. There was one at Ft Polk that the guy got sued over by the COE and it bankrupted him. Rumor is one of the cables broke and snapped out of the concrete. That much pressure with a steel cable could have cut someone in half.
Posted on 3/7/15 at 9:18 pm to daviddsims
Get a proper structural engineer to review and look at soil, etc. I think either could work just fine if properly engineered for the location.
Friend used post tension and it has shot 2 cables out of the slab. Kinda freak events, but not something to turn blind eye.
Friend used post tension and it has shot 2 cables out of the slab. Kinda freak events, but not something to turn blind eye.
Posted on 3/7/15 at 9:20 pm to daviddsims
I'd go traditional.
Most important is ensuring proper compaction of the subgrade and avoiding expansive soils.
Most important is ensuring proper compaction of the subgrade and avoiding expansive soils.
Posted on 3/7/15 at 9:23 pm to daviddsims
I have the same question/problem here in NOLA. Not sure whether to go PT or rebar. Seems like they are about the same price too
Posted on 3/7/15 at 9:25 pm to stout
I am guessing soil conditions are very different throughout the state. They have a traditional rebar slab and we are building a mile or so down the road.
Posted on 3/7/15 at 9:26 pm to daviddsims
Not definitive, but Google Web soil survey
USDA national resource conservation service website
USDA national resource conservation service website
Posted on 3/7/15 at 9:31 pm to daviddsims
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They have a traditional rebar slab and we are building a mile or so down the road.
I have seen some builders scrape off the topsoil and throw dirt down and start building the next day. It's all in prep work. If you get a dirt guy that knows what to do you will be OK.
You can also ask for a compaction test for peace of mind and to keep on record in case you need to take action against anyone. The concrete companies also have to keep details of their mixes on record and the prep work in a the slab will be inspected by the code enforcer to make sure it's being done to code before you pour.
All of that is to say that if you're going to have a slab failure, it's usually going to be due to poor prep work on the pad.
This post was edited on 3/7/15 at 9:44 pm
Posted on 3/7/15 at 9:32 pm to stout
Stout, you normally sound fairly educated about such matters, but to say clay is needed for a good subgrade is laughable. Clay is an extremely expansive material and tears slabs apart in Texas. This is precisely why post tension is used. Clay is hauled out and replaced with a low PI material such as sand or crusher fines.
To answer the OP, many engineers I trust will tell you post tension is bullshite. Beef up the thickness of the slab and grade beams and put plenty of rebar.
To answer the OP, many engineers I trust will tell you post tension is bullshite. Beef up the thickness of the slab and grade beams and put plenty of rebar.
Posted on 3/7/15 at 9:34 pm to Rouge
Just go with PT. It does cost a little more but a far superior system. It's not a cure all system but it will minimize problems you may have in the future.
Remember any slab is only as good as the soils supporting it. I'd guess that the significant majority of slab failures are a result of the soil below and not the foundation itself.
Remember any slab is only as good as the soils supporting it. I'd guess that the significant majority of slab failures are a result of the soil below and not the foundation itself.
Posted on 3/7/15 at 9:35 pm to daviddsims
Traditionally post tension is a stronger slab and its used to offset settlement issues that normal SOG's see. Get a soil boring done and then analyzed by a geotech engineer if youre concerned about it. They will tell you an allowable bearing pressure and likelihood of foundation settlement thereafter.
Without a good soil boring report its impossible to say if PT is warranted.
Without a good soil boring report its impossible to say if PT is warranted.
Posted on 3/7/15 at 9:38 pm to ags01
There are different types of clay. The clay here in SWLA where I am talking about is rock hard and I have built a lot of houses on top of it over the past 13 years with no slab issues.
I am also saying to simply get past the gumbo mud we have here and you'll know when you have done that when you see clay.
I am also saying to simply get past the gumbo mud we have here and you'll know when you have done that when you see clay.
Posted on 3/7/15 at 9:40 pm to stout
It's intersting that what we here in Texas call gumbo soil is clay that may have a PI as high as 60. That shite is worthless here. I guess in Louisiana where a clay subgrade might stay consistently saturated, the effect of its expansive qualities would be diminished.
Posted on 3/7/15 at 9:42 pm to foj1981
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Just go with PT. It does cost a little more but a far superior system. It's not a cure all system but it will minimize problems you may have in the future. Remember any slab is only as good as the soils supporting it. I'd guess that the significant majority of slab failures are a result of the soil below and not the foundation itself.
PT is far superior but any slab is as good as the subgrade
Posted on 3/7/15 at 9:42 pm to ags01
In some parts of LA you would dig forever to find granular soil so you have to work with what you have. I have learned over the years to make sure everything is compact and to overcompensate on the footings.
This post was edited on 3/7/15 at 9:44 pm
Posted on 3/7/15 at 9:45 pm to daviddsims
Get a good engineered PTS and don't look back. We built in 1996 and had one with cables 3.5 feet apart. That slab was so tight. If the builder cuts costs and corners it can be an issue. A well engineered and designed PTS is about as good as you can get.
Posted on 3/7/15 at 9:46 pm to stout
I have some guys within the company I work for that periodically come out of Louisiana to do soil exploration for us. I love the look on their faces when they hit solid rock at 1'.
Posted on 3/7/15 at 9:50 pm to ags01
shite on that.
Of course the opposite is true here. I enjoy watching them drive pylons in the ground (AKA whole trees) here for the Casinos they build in the marsh or on road construction. Can't do that in too many parts of Texas.
Of course the opposite is true here. I enjoy watching them drive pylons in the ground (AKA whole trees) here for the Casinos they build in the marsh or on road construction. Can't do that in too many parts of Texas.
This post was edited on 3/7/15 at 9:51 pm
Posted on 3/7/15 at 9:54 pm to stout
All drilled shafts here. Penetrate them 5' in the rock and you're golden.
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