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Cooks Pick Revisited
Posted on 3/6/15 at 7:04 am
Posted on 3/6/15 at 7:04 am
I'll always pray that Cooks becomes an all world NFL hall of famer for the Saints. That said, my choice last year would have been Kyle Fuller CB. He tailed off from assorted dings through the season. Still, there's a bit of a what could have been. The weakness at corner was a vital aspect of the defense backsliding from 2013.
PFF from November...
I think most everyone thinks that Kyle Fuller is having a magical rookie season. This often happens with players that perform well in a nationally televised game. Fuller started his career with three interceptions in his first three games but he hasn’t had one since. In fact in his last four games quarterbacks are 11-13 for 124 yards and a touchdown. He is also allowing a quarterback rating of 115.7 during that stretch. Don’t get me wrong, Fuller is having a good rookie season, but it hasn’t been extraordinary. At best he is the second best rookie cornerback this season.
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Jenkins selected over Cushing was a miss I never liked. Here's hoping for better with Cooks.
PS- no diss on Cooks at all. As Payton alluded, there was more problem with him getting the ball to him enough than there was any performance issue.
PFF from November...
I think most everyone thinks that Kyle Fuller is having a magical rookie season. This often happens with players that perform well in a nationally televised game. Fuller started his career with three interceptions in his first three games but he hasn’t had one since. In fact in his last four games quarterbacks are 11-13 for 124 yards and a touchdown. He is also allowing a quarterback rating of 115.7 during that stretch. Don’t get me wrong, Fuller is having a good rookie season, but it hasn’t been extraordinary. At best he is the second best rookie cornerback this season.
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Jenkins selected over Cushing was a miss I never liked. Here's hoping for better with Cooks.
PS- no diss on Cooks at all. As Payton alluded, there was more problem with him getting the ball to him enough than there was any performance issue.
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Posted on 3/6/15 at 7:55 am to blueslover
I like Cooks a lot and do expect him to improve as he learns, it's just hard to justify taking a guy with his skillset/measurables in the first round. Is his ceiling even a number one guy? I don't think so.
It was good to see later in the season Sean started trying to get him the ball down field a couple times instead of constantly giving him all the underneath stuff(which he is good at).
It was good to see later in the season Sean started trying to get him the ball down field a couple times instead of constantly giving him all the underneath stuff(which he is good at).
This post was edited on 3/6/15 at 7:56 am
Posted on 3/6/15 at 8:15 am to blueslover
I like Cooks also, but my concern was a short QB throwing to a short WR. I was hoping for Kelvin Benjamin in the 1st or trading down and taking Jordan Matthews.
Posted on 3/6/15 at 8:27 am to LSUlefty
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but my concern was a short QB throwing to a short WR
Posted on 3/6/15 at 8:31 am to sicboy
Sproles is a bad comparison. Most of his catches came out the back field.
Posted on 3/6/15 at 8:33 am to LSUlefty
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I was hoping for Kelvin Benjamin in the 1st or trading down and taking Jordan Matthews.
For the life of me I will never understood why we reached for Cooks when Matthews was waiting there in the second round. Hindsight is 20/20 in regards to Fuller, but I never did like the idea of taking Cooks with that pick.
Meanwhile, I still think Matthews could potentially be the third best receiver in this draft.
Posted on 3/6/15 at 8:40 am to blueslover
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As Payton alluded, there was more problem with him getting the ball to him enough than there was any performance issue.
this couldn't have been more obvious. there were too many games in which Cooks wasn't even targeted but a handful of times. I really don't understand much that happened last season regarding decisions and play calling, and this was one of them. were they worried about giving him too much in his rookie season? where they pulling a Bush move and using him as a decoy rather than a weapon? was he not as far along in development as he should've been? the main problem is that when he was utilized is was mostly as underneath garbage throws. I remember one big play downfield to him; other than that it seems everything was underneath.
I do think he will be a star, and I am not concerned with him at this time. While I wanted a CB last year as well, WR was also a big need. Maybe not as big, but big enough to address if the player at that position is better than the one at the other. This seems to be the case based on their determination to trade up. They had 3 trade targets: Shazier, Mosley and Cooks. Once the first two were gone, they had only one left to get. This tells me they valued Cooks as a much better BPA than Fuller.
Posted on 3/6/15 at 8:45 am to blueslover
I think the mindset was right. We needed fresh blood at WR badly. Having said that I also wanted Kyle Fuller in the first and Jordan Matthews in the 2nd
Posted on 3/6/15 at 8:50 am to blueslover
Yall crazy this kid is good. Remember that three wideouts were selected before him as well
Posted on 3/6/15 at 8:53 am to LSUlefty
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I like Cooks also, but my concern was a short QB throwing to a short WR
That's a pretty decent point, to be honest. The ideal situation for getting the ball to Cooks would be a designed rollout by Brees so that he can get clear line-of-site downfield to make his reads to make the spot throw. Last year was maddening, the designed rollouts seemed to get flushed out before the routes could develop and many of the 5 step drop plays resulted in Brees having to run for his life.
Lets also not fool ourselves, a weapon like Cooks is only as good as the plays designed to get him the ball. To be honest, I didn't see much of Payton's offensive genius last year. For Cooks to be successful, Payton will have create more downfield plays for Cooks to get into space.
One thing that impressed me about Cooks for last year is his ability to catch in traffic. He still shies away from contact (which he probably should if he wants to have a good, long career) but he doesn't appear to be afraid to make the hard catches. He'll be good, let's just hope the line and playcalling improves.
Posted on 3/6/15 at 8:54 am to bountyhunter
Cooks and Randall Cobb are the same damn height.
Look at Steve Smith. His height doesn't mean a fricking thing.
Look at Steve Smith. His height doesn't mean a fricking thing.
Posted on 3/6/15 at 8:55 am to Nissanmaxima
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Sproles is a bad comparison. Most of his catches came out the back field.
I think a lot of us envisioned Cooks filling that role in a sense. Lots of bubble screens or short to interdiate passes and letting him work. He was able to get deep some right before he went out, so I think we'll have a good all around receiver.
Tall WR doesn't always equal good. And we had Coslton and Jimmy to fill that role. What we needed was a playmaker and that's what Cooks will be for us.
This post was edited on 3/6/15 at 9:10 am
Posted on 3/6/15 at 8:58 am to saint amant steve
Benjamin and matthews will have better careers than him
Posted on 3/6/15 at 9:04 am to Macintosh504
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Benjamin and matthews will have better careers than him
This post was edited on 3/6/15 at 9:06 am
Posted on 3/6/15 at 9:07 am to Macintosh504
They'll have more drops as well as less superbowls too.
Posted on 3/6/15 at 9:12 am to WicKed WayZ
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Cooks and Randall Cobb are the same damn height.
Agreed. If he doesn't live up to this 1st round selection, his height won't be the reason. He's +/- an inch of Cobb, Steve Smith, TY Hilton, Antonio Brown, and Percy Harvin.
This post was edited on 3/6/15 at 9:13 am
Posted on 3/6/15 at 10:39 am to blueslover
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I'll always pray that Cooks becomes an all world NFL hall of famer for the Saints. That said, my choice last year would have been Kyle Fuller CB.
Fuller was gone at #14. It would have taken the Saints giving up at least 3 draft picks to get from 27 to 13 or 14. It would have taken something like the Saints 1st, 2nd, and 3rd to get that high. Fuller is not worth 3 high valued draft picks.
If we are playing this game then lets take Beckham Jr... But I guess him being only 5'11 makes him too short too since he is only 1 inch taller than Cooks.
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Jenkins selected over Cushing was a miss I never liked. Here's hoping for better with Cooks.
While with the Saints Jenkins played 15 more regular season games than Cushing through the same amount of time. Give me a guy who will actually be on the field.
This post was edited on 3/6/15 at 10:43 am
Posted on 3/6/15 at 10:56 am to WicKed WayZ
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Cooks and Randall Cobb are the same damn height.
Look at Steve Smith. His height doesn't mean a fricking thing.
That's not the point. There's nothing wrong necessarily with shorter WR's, I just prefer my short QB to throw to taller WR's.
Posted on 3/6/15 at 11:02 am to blueslover
The cooks pick does not need to be revisited...however most of the ones that followed do.
Posted on 3/6/15 at 11:05 am to LSUlefty
So we shouldn't have Cooks or Stills, and should have drafted Benjamin & Corey Fuller?
You do realize that it helps to have complementary WRs that are fast & shifty; which is typically the shorter WRs.
You do realize that it helps to have complementary WRs that are fast & shifty; which is typically the shorter WRs.
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