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re: How do you tell someone their business asking price is too high?
Posted on 3/5/15 at 9:34 am to LSUFanHouston
Posted on 3/5/15 at 9:34 am to LSUFanHouston
With his age (late 60s), he really is done practicing. We think the 15% he brought in is also high because the default set as him seeing the patients. So if the tech wasn't paying attention, some of what my wife did would give him credit. That problem has been fixed. He only works on my wife's off day during the week, every other Saturday (1/2 days) and a few hours sprinkled in during the week.
He is ready to sell and we are ready to buy. We just need to come to an agreement on price. My wife has worked hard at getting this place exactly how she wants it over the past few years.
He is ready to sell and we are ready to buy. We just need to come to an agreement on price. My wife has worked hard at getting this place exactly how she wants it over the past few years.
Posted on 3/5/15 at 9:58 am to LSUSUPERSTAR
Well, it sounds like you might be in a great place. Like a house, don't let a few hundred bucks destroy the deal. $25,000 is another story.
Posted on 3/5/15 at 10:19 am to LSUFanHouston
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don't let a few hundred bucks destroy the deal.
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$25,000 is another story.
I wish it was that low, more like a few hundred thousand.
Posted on 3/5/15 at 10:29 am to LSUSUPERSTAR
Do you really think a non compete would hold up in that practice?
I would try your best to come to an agreement that is fair for both sides but I wouldn't overpay just b/c she is familiar with that office.
I would try your best to come to an agreement that is fair for both sides but I wouldn't overpay just b/c she is familiar with that office.
Posted on 3/5/15 at 10:37 am to LSU1018
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I would try your best to come to an agreement that is fair for both sides but I wouldn't overpay just b/c she is familiar with that office.
This, x1000. If she's a good, compassionate vet, her patients will find her, no matter if she sets up shop in a new place. The kind of pet owners who drop serious bucks on routine maintenance (teeth cleanings, prescription foods, etc) tend to bond w/a provider and will happily follow him/her across town to get the same standard of care.
Don't let her overpay out of attachment to the building or people. If she starts over from scratch, then she can get the exact facility she wants and things might even be better than her current situation.
Posted on 3/5/15 at 11:04 am to LSUSUPERSTAR
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I wish it was that low, more like a few hundred thousand.
that doesn't sound very promising
Posted on 3/5/15 at 12:13 pm to LSUSUPERSTAR
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I wish it was that low, more like a few hundred thousand.
If that's the case, you should look at the numbers on starting your own place, taking her customers with you. Good vets are always busy and she will be able to build a practice as big or bigger over time. She can also set the standards for her clinic from the ground up.
Posted on 3/5/15 at 12:21 pm to LSUSUPERSTAR
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I wish it was that low, more like a few hundred thousand.
Open up her own shop. That is lunacy.
Posted on 3/5/15 at 1:41 pm to schlow mo
I would also hand pick his employees I wanted to take with me
Posted on 3/5/15 at 1:59 pm to LSUSUPERSTAR
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I wish it was that low, more like a few hundred thousand.
Wow, I don't think you will bridge that gap over dinner.
Have you asked him to show what he is basing the value on? Is he using some sort of billing multiplier? Cash flow? Pulled out of his backside?
what's the terms of the non-compete? Those are hard to enforce in Louisiana.
Posted on 3/5/15 at 3:09 pm to LSUSUPERSTAR
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I wish it was that low, more like a few hundred thousand.
I was in the same position as you 7 years ago.
I bought a well established business from my 85 year old grandfather. His value of the business was $550k more than what I thought. Long story short - I paid his asking price, brought it under my ownership and had increased revenue 80% in just under 5 years.
In my different business ventures, I have found that dealing with an older male is incredibly difficult in cases where they have started/built the business.
All 3 of you know the true value of this business - probably somewhere in the middle - (he's overvaluing and you're undervaluing). Most importantly to me, IF you know that the business can be greatly increased (cash flow wise) - BUY IT - and don't look back. If not, completely walk away from the deal and do things your way. Good luck!
Posted on 3/5/15 at 3:36 pm to LSUSUPERSTAR
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Non-compete
Those are hard to enforce. They have to be very specific to be enforced from my experience.
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location, client base
All it would take is a round of phone calls to current clients letting them know you are opening up shop in a new location. I bet you could retain most of them and build from there.
Posted on 3/5/15 at 3:55 pm to LSUSUPERSTAR
Without reading any posts, you're last statement is all you need. He will come to his sense eventually
This post was edited on 3/5/15 at 4:03 pm
Posted on 3/5/15 at 6:12 pm to LSUShock
Thx all. We are in Texas and are getting a lawyer to go over her contract in regards to the non-compete.
Posted on 3/5/15 at 6:34 pm to LSUSUPERSTAR
I was intrigued enough about a vet having a non compete and did some quick Google-ing.
Take it, FWIW.
LINK
Take it, FWIW.
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Texas prohibits non-competition agreements when part of an at-will employment agreement.
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A Texas Court of Appeals case held that an employment agreement that prohibited a veterinarian from competing within 12-miles was unenforceable.
Posted on 3/5/15 at 7:58 pm to AngryBeavers
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All it would take is a round of phone calls to current clients letting them know you are opening up shop in a new location.
That would probably break the confidentiality agreement her employer should have made her sign and would be considered stealing. I would advise against it.
Posted on 3/5/15 at 8:20 pm to Walking the Earth
Thx for that.
The owner asked today what the valuation was that we received and he was none to happy as expected. She didn't get into too much with him but offered to show him the official valuation once we received it. We'll just let him stew on it for a little while and see if he brings it back up. He wants to sell and we want to buy, but aren't going to sell out our future stability for him or anyone.
The owner asked today what the valuation was that we received and he was none to happy as expected. She didn't get into too much with him but offered to show him the official valuation once we received it. We'll just let him stew on it for a little while and see if he brings it back up. He wants to sell and we want to buy, but aren't going to sell out our future stability for him or anyone.
Posted on 3/5/15 at 8:41 pm to LSUSUPERSTAR
When I sold my practice I signed a 35 mile radius nocompete. I was OK with it because I knew I was through practicing. 20 yrs of wrestling cows left me with shot shoulders and knees and bilateral hernias. Is it a rural practice? Rural practices in a lot of areas are hard to sell and tend to bring less than normal valuation parameters.
Posted on 3/5/15 at 9:43 pm to bovine1
Frick healing cows at the expense of my physical person.
A dead bovine is simply just an invitation for Dinner.
You are a better man than me.
A dead bovine is simply just an invitation for Dinner.
You are a better man than me.
Posted on 3/6/15 at 12:21 am to LSUSUPERSTAR
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more like a few hundred thousand.
I know some old vets like this. Crazy.
IME and in the experience of close friends vets tend to get around those non-competes clauses.
If she really is running it like you say she is then you are in the driver's seat here, IMO. If she bolts and starts her own practice his will really suffer. A handful of the clients just go there b/c it's the closest one and they don't really care who they see. The ones that really talk about their vet around town are usually the ones that spend a lot of money there too and they are absolutely loyal. She can notify the clients she is leaving and the clients will find her wherever she goes - especially once she throws up a couple ads in the paper and at the local pet stores for her new practice.
This post was edited on 3/6/15 at 12:22 am
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