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Posted on 2/26/15 at 7:21 pm to BottomlandBrew
Posted on 2/26/15 at 7:21 pm to BottomlandBrew
Maybe she'd like Elder Scrolls games, where the women have dirty ugly faces, nasty looking hair, and walk like men.
What she wouldn't like, however, is that some of the top Skyrim Nexus mods, with millions upon millions of downloads, are completely devoted to making the women look hotter, get naked, and bounce titties when they walk. The gaming community has spoken.
What she wouldn't like, however, is that some of the top Skyrim Nexus mods, with millions upon millions of downloads, are completely devoted to making the women look hotter, get naked, and bounce titties when they walk. The gaming community has spoken.
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Posted on 2/26/15 at 7:31 pm to DelU249
She's still missing the entire point. Game devs should be free to make whatever the frick characters they please, there's no reason why a character in a game shouldn't be able to offend someone. Her vision of games is as dry and bland as her bloviating, and it's the worst possible direction for games to go in. I'm against misogyny for the sake of misogyny, but again, this is all about Anita and nothing to do with the latter.
And the idealizing of men is just as much a problem as the objectification of women in games. I've yet to hear her speak on that subject.
And the idealizing of men is just as much a problem as the objectification of women in games. I've yet to hear her speak on that subject.
Posted on 2/26/15 at 7:59 pm to JombieZombie
post of the day
Posted on 2/26/15 at 7:59 pm to JombieZombie
quote:
I'm against misogyny for the sake of misogyny, but again, this is all about Anita and nothing to do with the latter.
Well said
I like her statement about an easy solution being to have better movement animations for women in games. Easy? Last I checked she isn't a game developer. That's a time consuming and expensive thing to do also.
Posted on 2/26/15 at 8:07 pm to Mr Gardoki
She seriously has some George Orwell shite going on there, and I hope devs simply laugh at her for all the right reasons.
Posted on 2/26/15 at 8:29 pm to sicboy
quote:
-Include female enemies, but don't sexualize those enemies
A game where we get to beat up women, sounds awesome.
Posted on 2/26/15 at 8:39 pm to Brosef Stalin
Get to smack them around for being ugly.
Fuel to the flame.
Fuel to the flame.
Posted on 2/26/15 at 9:05 pm to DelU249
The market will show her how shitty her ideas are. Games are made geared to those who buy them, not to those who just want to see them made. Kinda like that chasing Amy story.
Posted on 2/27/15 at 2:14 am to JombieZombie
quote:
She's still missing the entire point. Game devs should be free to make whatever the frick characters they please, there's no reason why a character in a game shouldn't be able to offend someone. Her vision of games is as dry and bland as her bloviating, and it's the worst possible direction for games to go in. I'm against misogyny for the sake of misogyny, but again, this is all about Anita and nothing to do with the latter.
And the idealizing of men is just as much a problem as the objectification of women in games. I've yet to hear her speak on that subject.
Idealizing of men isn't as big of a problem because you have more choices as a consumer. I am a guy and I would like to play a female character who at least wears armor that covers vital parts. It seems like you have to put extra effort to make body armor look like lingerie. I'd like a little choice as a consumer.
Posted on 2/27/15 at 3:26 am to Socratics
If you're talking about purely aesthetics, then yeah, more variety never hurts anything or anyone, but I'm speaking more of characters as a whole -- it could be argued that women may not be as objectified if men weren't so idealized to begin with. This isn't a recent concept... The culture needs to change, not entertainment.
Posted on 2/27/15 at 9:42 am to JombieZombie
quote:This goes back to my other point from earlier in the thread, though. The 2, culture and media (books, tv, movies, video games, music, etc.) are on a two-way street. Culture usually dictates what people want, but media can spur on society to want different things or change their position(s). It's not a binary change, though. It's gradual and takes time.
The culture needs to change, not entertainment.
This is what Sarkessian seems to misunderstand. "Just do these things and problem solved. It's not hard developers Come on!" As Gardoki's pointed out in this thread, Sarkessian's suggestions are naive and too idealistic. The types of female characters we get in games has to be a balance of what will sell vs what the game developers want, even the female ones.
For example, I've seen several articles discussing what it might be like if Rockstar put a female lead in the next GTA game ( 1). Personally, I'd love to see what that would be like and how that kind of story might play out. Rockstar themselves might even want that but they also have to weigh whether it would make money. It would be a huge risk for them and the Take-Two shareholders.
So, I don't have any problems with Anita's 8 "fixes" in theory, but they aren't as simple as she makes them out to be when you weigh what the overall market wants.
Posted on 2/27/15 at 9:53 am to DieDaily
Her thoughts are shallow at best.
Posted on 2/27/15 at 10:39 am to Mr Gardoki
Video games are a fantasy. They aren't meant to be realistic. The dudes are just as unrealistic in most games as the outrageously proportioned chicks.
Faux Outrage Political Correctness shall continue but it is a joke.
Faux Outrage Political Correctness shall continue but it is a joke.
Posted on 2/27/15 at 10:47 am to Mr Gardoki
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She throws a lot of shite out there like why are women characters in pink? Well, most of the women I know fricking love pink. Those are the characters my wife always chooses the few times she plays video games.
This has always irked me. I understand that not everyone fits into gender molds and that's cool. But if a character does, why is that a criticism?
Edit: Also thought it was interesting that she admits to have no desire to communicate with anyone who disagrees with her. Only those who agree or are on the fence.
This post was edited on 2/27/15 at 10:50 am
Posted on 2/27/15 at 11:01 am to oauron
quote:I didn't interpret it that way.
Also thought it was interesting that she admits to have no desire to communicate with anyone who disagrees with her. Only those who agree or are on the fence.
quote:I think that last sentence was in the context of Gamergate supporters. She's assuming none of them are reachable, so why bother.
"I'm happy if she cared at all and wanted to come," Sarkeesian said, "but I seriously doubt people from Gamergate's intentions of coming to an event where I am speaking...I think if anyone in this audience is here for Gamergate they are not here because they genuinely care and want to learn. They are coming here to be, like, 'oh my god, that woman, that horrible evil woman that's ruining video games.'"
She said she'd written Gamergate off, that there was no convincing them. She wanted to reach "fence-sitters," people "who are like, 'I'm interested, and I don't know if I agree with you, and I'm curious.'"
Posted on 2/27/15 at 11:36 am to DieDaily
quote:
I think that last sentence was in the context of Gamergate supporters. She's assuming none of them are reachable, so why bother.
I just read it as someone who disagrees with her is obviously too far gone to possibly comprehend her correct point of view. So she paints those people with an broad brush and dismisses anything they have to say.
This post was edited on 2/27/15 at 11:36 am
Posted on 2/27/15 at 11:44 am to oauron
I don't think that one line says that as much as her history. She has established a pattern of not wanting to be challenged.
Posted on 2/27/15 at 11:48 am to Mr Gardoki
That's correct. Her actions speak way louder than that line, but it's the first time I've seen her acknowledge it.
Posted on 2/27/15 at 11:55 am to Mr Gardoki
AS is a count of the highest degree.
Posted on 2/27/15 at 2:30 pm to Srbtiger06
Then you have a comic like Bitch Planet that is heralded for it's feminist values even though some of the female characters have realistically impossible proportions and pink is fricking every where.
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