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Bucks to buy out Larry Sanders?
Posted on 2/16/15 at 8:56 am
Posted on 2/16/15 at 8:56 am
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Buyout discussions have begun between the Milwaukee Bucks and Larry Sanders that would make the recently suspended big man a free agent, according to league sources.
Sanders has served a 10-game suspension for violating the league's anti-drug program but has not returned to the team and is not expected to play for Milwaukee again. He has been listed as out for "personal reasons" in each of the Bucks' past three games.
The 26-year-old has been adamant that he wants to resume his NBA career despite the personal struggles that have resulted in two league suspensions in less than a year.
"Soon you all will know the truth," Sanders tweeted last week.
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I'm not sure if this is a "Should We?" or a "Will he be in the league next year?" I doubt they let a stoner burnout near the boy scout troop they've assembled here, but it would be nice to have a defensive center capable of catching the ball and scoring at the basket.
This post was edited on 2/16/15 at 8:57 am
Posted on 2/16/15 at 9:02 am to TigerinATL
Absolutely...Roll with dice
Posted on 2/16/15 at 9:04 am to TigerinATL
I'd love to see him and Davis control the paint together, but he's such a headcase. I wonder what kind of salary he's going to be getting next year.
Posted on 2/16/15 at 9:10 am to mm2316
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I wonder what kind of salary he's going to be getting next year.
With as many issues as he's had I could see him getting a decent pay but voidable deal like Cleveland did with Bynum. That one was 2/$24 but only $6 million was guaranteed and the 2nd year was a team option.
Posted on 2/16/15 at 9:15 am to TigerinATL
Well Monty is supposed to be a good motivational guy so if he's still here next year, I'd try to bring Sanders in.
Posted on 2/16/15 at 9:22 am to TigerinATL
Dude is an absolute nutcase. All reports have said he does not give a frick about basketball, has thought about retiring multiple times because he just doesn't care, and has reportedly said he just wants to collect a paycheck for a little bit so he can start doing nothing. And he loves him some weed.
Now, all of that MIGHT be coming from the team to get rid of a guy they don't like, but there is likely SOME shade of truth to that stuff.
I like his talent but unless its a Bynum-esque deal like has been previously mentioned, no thanks.
Now, all of that MIGHT be coming from the team to get rid of a guy they don't like, but there is likely SOME shade of truth to that stuff.
I like his talent but unless its a Bynum-esque deal like has been previously mentioned, no thanks.
Posted on 2/16/15 at 9:25 am to TigerinATL
Sanders said he doesn't want to play basketball anymore
Posted on 2/16/15 at 9:28 am to TigerinATL
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but it would be nice to have a defensive center capable of catching the ball and scoring at the basket.
I like Sanders, but he is fairly useless on offense too. You'd just be trading in Asik for a younger, more troubled model.
BSS on Asik from yesterdy
Optimizing Omer
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The truth is that Omer Asik was brought in for three specific reasons, and he is filling all 3 of those roles.
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1. To shore up the defense around the basket
2. To shore up the rebounding
3. To protect Anthony Davis
Posted on 2/16/15 at 9:53 am to Fun Bunch
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I like his talent but unless its a Bynum-esque deal like has been previously mentioned, no thanks.
I'm not even sure this FO goes for that. Nearly every move Demps has made during the rebuild has been about reducing risk and uncertainty. I don't think there's anyway other than a minimum contract deal that they give Sanders a try.
Posted on 2/16/15 at 10:15 am to corndeaux
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I like Sanders, but he is fairly useless on offense too.
Asik within 3 feet, 53% this year, 58% for his career.
Sanders within 3 feet, 61% for his career with 57% being his lowest season.
On the one hand I think people are overreacting to a highly visible yet low occurrence event that really isn't the problem it's been made out to be because of it's low occurrence. On the other hand, Asik under the basket is open pretty much any time we want to try it, imagine what would happen if we had someone competent in that area like a young Tyson Chandler. Either our guards would get open layups or we'd have 5 open dunks a game from our center. I don't want an offense only center, but a defensive center decent at the rim would make a huge difference for this team.
Posted on 2/16/15 at 10:21 am to TigerinATL
A dude with drug problems that can't seem to fly straight in Milwaukee probably wouldn't improve upon moving to New Orleans. I'd rather just steer clear of this one.
Posted on 2/16/15 at 10:27 am to TigerinATL
Yeah I'm not for this at all and I doubt dell would either.
He'd have to go to a team with established presences.
He'd have to go to a team with established presences.
Posted on 2/16/15 at 11:26 am to TigerinATL
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Asik within 3 feet, 53% this year, 58% for his career.
Sanders within 3 feet, 61% for his career with 57% being his lowest season.
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He can’t stay on the floor, since he’s fouling more than six times per 36 minutes. He’s also sinking the Bucks on offense; Milwaukee has scored just 94.3 points per 100 possessions with Sanders playing, a mark that would rank 29th. Sanders can’t shoot and he’s an uncertain passer from the elbows, meaning his man can help around the floor and muck up driving lanes instead of guarding him.
He has a tendency to just kind of float in space after setting picks; he doesn’t pick-and-roll or pick-and-pop as much as he pick-and-stands. Kidd wants Sanders diving to the hoop, Chandler-style, but Sanders hasn’t embraced the idea of cutting hard every single time to suck in defenders and open up chances for others.
Obviously some noise in On/Off #s, but the Bucks are a -5 Net w/ Sanders on. Asik is a -1.6 Net (+3 w/ Davis). And since Jan 1, Asik has been a +3 overall (105 ORating- meanwhile my boy Anderson has been a -5. 103 ORating).
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imagine what would happen if we had someone competent in that area like a young Tyson Chandler
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a defensive center decent at the rim would make a huge difference for this team
I, mean, sure. That would be great. But they aren't getting a young Chandler type any time soon (apologies to Withey). And I just don't know what people expect any more. Was 50+ wins really an expectation? Having 5 quality 2 way players at every position? Does going from Asik to Koufos really change much? How long before everyone complains about what he can't do?
It's hard to keep perspective after the last few years (#Monty) and in the middle of a season but here goes:
- The Pels have had a top 10 offense all year. With injuries to Holiday and Gordon, with no bench, with an ill fitting roster, with Anderson coming off a career threatening injury, and with Asik playing a ton of minutes. Yes, the offense stagnates a good bit and it is ugly. That's scheme/execution though. And it's still productive.
- The defense, as Pellessier points out, is better. Certainly still plenty of room to improve, but they have shown signs of life recently. The continued shitty defense is most bothersome. Some of it is on the roster, but Monty should be feeling the heat for that more than anything else.
- They are right in the thick of the playoff race, even after a couple of stinkers before the ASB. They are doing this in the toughest division in the toughest conference in the history of the NBA. The most level headed predictions were a 7/8 seed battle and here they are.
There are still holes in the roster and in the coaching staff. I certainly have been a vocal critic and still have doubts about the long term plan, but I don't see much reason for people to panic after the past month of ball.
Posted on 2/16/15 at 11:44 am to corndeaux
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Does going from Asik to Koufos really change much?
I'm not sure. His numbers look good but I haven't been impressed by the eye test in games against the Pels. But it'd be nice to do an Aminu to Cunningham style sidegrade at the center position.
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The defense, as Pellessier points out, is better. Certainly still plenty of room to improve, but they have shown signs of life recently. The continued shitty defense is most bothersome. Some of it is on the roster, but Monty should be feeling the heat for that more than anything else.
I expect the defense to get even better at full health now that we have Pondexter/Cunningham to add to Jrue and Gordon. So that begs the question do you need as much defense as Asik brings if you have better perimeter defense? I'm certainly not leading the charge to let Asik walk because "anyone has to be better than this clown", but I'd love to find a more balanced center that's good enough on defense and rebounding. And no, we did not give up the center we're looking for to get Tyreke, Lopez is a terrible rebounder. (Aimed at the peanut gallery, not you)
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(apologies to Withey)
Withey's more Young Robin Lopez than Young Tyson Chandler.
Posted on 2/16/15 at 2:33 pm to Macintosh504
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Sanders said he doesn't want to play basketball anymore
pretty much. a young talented player saying that and now he backtracks?
i'll pass.
Posted on 2/16/15 at 4:58 pm to TigerinATL
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But it'd be nice to do an Aminu to Cunningham style sidegrade at the center position.
Yeah. Though I think Asik ---> Koufos is the inverse. Vet to young guy. Certainly Koufos has shown more than Aminu ever did though.
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that begs the question do you need as much defense as Asik brings if you have better perimeter defense?
Very fair question. That's sort of where I was when the defense was truly putrid. Why bring him back if you can't get even a decent defense from a core of Asik, Davis, and Holiday?
Same time, Asik is among the best centers in rim protection and rebounding. Koufos looks good and is promising, but people are antsy for the playoffs now. Are they willing to sign a largely unproven guy to comparable $$ in what will certainly be a playoffs or bust season next year? And who knows how ownership/management will change. They've got to stay healthy these last 30 games and see what they have in all their pieces.
In a few years, I think Davis will be switching between the 4 and the 5 a la Duncan. You will be able to play any type 4 or 5 next to him. His versatility is unparalleled. He's just not ready (and the braintrust, correctly, is in no rush to push him) to withstand the punishment in the paint.
ETA: Another thing to watch will be the FA market this summer. Lowe brought up in his column today- with no smoothing, how will teams change their plans? Will non glamor markets saving cap space jump in now knowing that the Lakers can make 2 or 3 max offers in 2016?
This post was edited on 2/16/15 at 5:01 pm
Posted on 2/16/15 at 8:38 pm to Macintosh504
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Sanders said he doesn't want to play basketball anymore
Bingo, this screams Bynum 2.0
Posted on 2/17/15 at 10:24 am to TigerinATL
No thanks. This would be the ultimate result:
Posted on 2/17/15 at 11:22 am to TigerinATL
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I'm not sure if this is a "Should We?" or a "Will he be in the league next year?" I doubt they let a stoner burnout near the boy scout troop they've assembled here, but it would be nice to have a defensive center capable of catching the ball and scoring at the basket.
Such a danger to society...
Posted on 2/17/15 at 4:39 pm to corndeaux
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