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So I finally went and bought a Logitech Harmony Universal Remote...

Posted on 2/13/15 at 10:23 am
Posted by GFunk
Denham Springs
Member since Feb 2011
14966 posts
Posted on 2/13/15 at 10:23 am
Picked up the 650 at Best Buy yesterday. I had some Christmas Gift Cards and my LG smart remote stopped working Wednesday Night so it was as good a time as any to take the plunge.

Setup using the PC was effortless once I downloaded the program, and I'm extremely pleased one day in. The smart controls labeled, "Watch a Movie" and "Watch TV" are excellent.

For informational purposes, I'm using it to control:

LG 60" Plasma Smart TV
Apple TV
Contour Box from Cox (Cable)
Sony Soundbar w/Wireless Sub

The TV's the tricky part as I use its browser to stream movies through a website of questionable legality. Thanks to some beta testing yesterday, once I loaded the devices into the program and it set my remote accordingly, everything was perfect.

Especially impressed with the solution for the LG Magic Remote (used mainly for its Wii-like controllability in changing TV inputs and navigating LG's web browser for movie watching).

Very, very pleased with the purchase. Go get one today.
Posted by onelochevy
Slidell, LA
Member since Jan 2011
16534 posts
Posted on 2/13/15 at 10:26 am to
I use a 650 as well. Very happy with it
Posted by Hu_Flung_Pu
Central, LA
Member since Jan 2013
22168 posts
Posted on 2/13/15 at 10:33 am to
Been wanting one. I just don't wanna mess with rewiring my ir blasters and rf converter.
Posted by Pettifogger
Capitol Hill Autonomous Zone
Member since Feb 2012
79221 posts
Posted on 2/13/15 at 10:37 am to
Every time I use one (on vacation or at a friend's place) they seem more complicated than an easier universal or just using a couple of remotes.

Is the main advantage simply consolidating remotes, or are there other features too?

I might just be dumb
Posted by Hopeful Doc
Member since Sep 2010
14965 posts
Posted on 2/13/15 at 10:37 am to
I bought the 700 (older model, rechargeable battery) recently. It controls:

AV receiver
Sony Smart TV
appleTV
Windows Media Center PC


All in all, I'm very impressed with it. Phenomenal remote. Navigates submenus easily. Obscure buttons stored in the screen are a huge plus. For basic functions, I would actually probably recommend the 350 for most people. The newest model will control 8 devices. It only saves one macro function, though, but the big thing, I find, is getting all the components on that people have trouble with (in my household). Having a "weird" component (HTPC) makes the extra controls hidden in the screen extremely nice. If I didn't have them though, i would heavily consider dropping it for the cheaper model because I worry about the durability of the screen (have witnessed 3-4 breakages of the touch-screened 890 in my parents' house).


Now, if money were no issue, I would love to give the Logitech Smart Home Hub a try. RF remote (unnecessary for me at present, but wouldn't mind dedicated IR blasters and hiding components). No touch screen, so basic commands only + remembering what you program to it (tough for outsiders), but it is iphone and android app-enabled, giving you back the screen for obscure functions and making it closer to idiot proof.


ETA- that hub + rf remote without screen is like $150 new, $120 Refurb'd vs $35 or so for the 350. My 700 was $55 used, I think they're up in the $80-90 for the new, current version.
This post was edited on 2/13/15 at 11:01 am
Posted by Hopeful Doc
Member since Sep 2010
14965 posts
Posted on 2/13/15 at 10:58 am to
quote:

Is the main advantage simply consolidating remotes, or are there other features too?


One button turns on the tv, changes TV to correct input for cable box, changes receiver input to cable box, powers on cable box. Channels change on the remote. Volume changes on receiver. Buttons you need that aren't on the remote are on the screen.

Button next to it leaves all those components on, changes TV input and av receiver input to appropriate ones for Apple TV. Volume still on receiver. Control of AppleTV works now, as well as the regular remote + advanced functions.

Bass too high on the receiver? Remote has a button that says "devices," they populate the screen. You choose "(brand) receiver," and you have total control of the receiver with the more. Nothing you push will upset the AppleTV or TV. Any button that isn't on the standard remote is the screen (my pc remote has like 22-25 PAGES (x4 commands per page) of commands. All customizable, of course...both in terms of where they show up, when they show up, or, heck, if you wanted to, you could make the AV receiver's EQ function the number "8" on the remote. And you could make "2" the "8." I wouldn't advise it, but it's 100% programmable through a rather idiot-proof program on the computer.

I'll admit, picking one up for the first time made me nervous. But a button said "watch tv" and "watch Netflix." I wanted TV, so I pushed it. Then the remote told me to point it at the tv. Then it said "if not everything is on, push 'help'."
I saw the "devices" tab and was feeling confident, so I pressed it. It had links to things that were 2 and 3 submenus deep that were a single button away (or really, you navigate through pages of commands on the remote, so in essence you really navigate submenus on the remote instead of the tv. But it's not the standard submenu...just a command. Not sure if I'm explaining that part well). It's really not all that complicated. For a basic setup (cable box, receiver, one more component, TV) you're better off with the cable company's remote (especially if you learn how to program the volume lock function). Once you get beyond 4 components (cable or directv box and TV being 2 of them), you really start to see value in a universal remote.

As far as the advantages of that vs multiple remotes? I can remember 7 remotes and what goes with each component. My roommate can't. My SO can't, either. My brother comes over and complains about controlling it. Are they idiots? Not particularly. They don't own the equipment, so they don't invest any amount of time into learning it. And 1 remote with a button that sets everything up for you is preferred by them rather than turning on the components with 2 remotes then using a 3rd to control the system. Heck. My roommate went out and bought a cheap, simple DVD player that he hooks up to my tv because he can't figure out how to click "watch dvd" inside of windows media center. I like to think it's not hard. I've started to think that I'm wrong based on the number of people around me who I consider intelligent that struggle with "two buttons on this remote will turn the tv and the receiver on. If the tv doesn't turn on, hold the "TV" button on the bottom left of the remote and the push the "TV power" button. Then that remote does nothing and this one controls everything. Unless you're using one of the digital channels on media center. Then the computer volume doesn't work and that first remote is preferred. Also, if media center gets turned off, push the green button and it should turn back on. If that doesn't work, or you just want to browse the web, there's an RF keyboard/touchpad combo here. It can also control media center, but channel and volume control is easier on the rc6 remote. To change the TV's input, you can either use the tv remote or the receiver remote while holding "TV" and push "input." Then you have to pick up the AppleTV/Roku/etc remote. volume is only on the receiver remote now"
Posted by GFunk
Denham Springs
Member since Feb 2011
14966 posts
Posted on 2/13/15 at 11:01 am to
quote:

Hopeful Doc
quote:

I bought the 700 (older model, rechargeable battery) recently. It controls: AV receiver Sony Smart TV appleTV Windows Media Center PC All in all, I'm very impressed with it. Phenomenal remote. Navigates submenus easily. Obscure buttons stored in the screen are a huge plus. For basic functions, I would actually probably recommend the 350 for most people. The newest model will control 8 devices. It only saves one macro function, though, but the big thing, I find, is getting all the components on that people have trouble with (in my household). Having a "weird" component (HTPC) makes the extra controls hidden in the screen extremely nice. If I didn't have them though, i would heavily consider dropping it for the cheaper model because I worry about the durability of the screen (have witnessed 3-4 breakages of the touch-screened 890 in my parents' house). Now, if money were no issue, I would love to give the Logitech Smart Home Hub a try. RF remote (unnecessary for me at present, but wouldn't mind dedicated IR blasters and hiding components). No touch screen, so basic commands only + remembering what you program to it (tough for outsiders), but it is iphone and android app-enabled, giving you back the screen for obscure functions and making it closer to idiot proof.


Looked at the 700 but didn't need rechargeable as a capability, especially considering all batteries are rechargeable now anyways. Beyond that, the 700 was effectively double for that feature alone compared to the 650 with negligible additional tech or features.

RE: The Smart Hub's functionality you discuss: Why do you want to revert back to multiple remotes (ie-using your phone and the Harmony)? Doesn't that defeat the purpose of unifying multiple systems so that one remote or device controls them all centrally?
This post was edited on 2/13/15 at 11:03 am
Posted by Hopeful Doc
Member since Sep 2010
14965 posts
Posted on 2/13/15 at 11:24 am to
quote:

RE: The Smart Hub's functionality you discuss: Why do you want to revert back to multiple remotes (ie-using your phone and the Harmony)? Doesn't that defeat the purpose of unifying multiple systems so that one remote or device controls them all centrally?


Well, primarily I want to implement it in my father's house. He has a media closet that is about 40ft away (at your back) behind a door. None of the components need special commands. The RF function of the 890 was fantastic. The screen was its downfall. This would replace the screen and, in my mind, increase the durability. At home, there are still 4 siblings between 10-18, each has a smart device. In the unlikely event that the remote (saw it in best buy. Feels durable) were to break, there's a backup control (apps) that will function well. Until about a week ago, he had the rf remote for a directv box, and the tv was line of site, but all volume had to be controlled by walking across the room or leaving the door open and pointing the remote backwards. I purchased a Monoprice branded IR over hdmi (runs over CEC channel in the cable), and it functions for volume, but the directv remote doesn't control his AppleTV or do a great job of his blu Ray player (some RCA model. Don't know it offhand). It's also only got a single blaster for the whole closet and the receiver has fairly limited range, so I would like to upgrade it for him. Surround is also currently controlled by the Blu Ray, but the original subwoofer and center went out. He purchased new ones, but the player won't drive them, so I want to buy a basic hdmi 5.1 or 7.1 receiver, which is adding another device.



So, short version, I need RF or a long IR extension and more complex universal remote. Figure that the RF which still works with a broken, lost, or no batteries in it remote trumps attempt at running a long IR cable. There's very poor info about what the requirements for IR extension are. And monoprice says that the extender I bought will not work with their own-branded distribution system (still want to test that...mono-->dual band should work I would think), but at that point, I'm running close to equal on cost with essentially guaranteed function in one system with backups vs possible function of the other.
Posted by Phate
Baton Rouge
Member since Mar 2006
11724 posts
Posted on 2/13/15 at 2:30 pm to
quote:

Especially impressed with the solution for the LG Magic Remote (used mainly for its Wii-like controllability in changing TV inputs and navigating LG's web browser for movie watching).



This is one of the reasons I haven't pulled the trigger on a harmony remote. My remotes are starting to pile up so if I can still have the functionality of the LG magic remote then I may get one to consolidate all my remotes.
Posted by Coater
Madison, MS
Member since Jun 2005
33063 posts
Posted on 2/13/15 at 3:18 pm to
I've got a harmony one and love it. Use it to start my car if I can't find my keys (not really but it can do just about anything)
Posted by GFunk
Denham Springs
Member since Feb 2011
14966 posts
Posted on 2/13/15 at 4:33 pm to
You lose the Wii like functionality but the rocker button the middle of the remote navigates the mouse perfectly.
This post was edited on 2/13/15 at 4:34 pm
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