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re: Fresh Ice! NHL Season-Long Thread, Part 2
Posted on 3/3/15 at 10:08 am to Fat Bastard
Posted on 3/3/15 at 10:08 am to Fat Bastard
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worst is basically 36(35.9) we are 31. washington is 33.5! lol.
Caps are at 28.9. Tops in the league is Minnesota at 26.8. New Jersey allows 30.7.
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middle of the pack actual numbers wise for the habs. you make it out as if we are 22nd in the league so we are horrible on D! 5 shots more per game? meh. big deal.
It doesn't suck, but it's not great. First off, 5 shots on goal a game is a TON. Over a season, that's 400 more shots allowed. I'm saying that the Habs have a below average D yet are FIRST in goal prevention. Why? Because Carey Price is a god amongst men.
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we are #4 in the league in penalty killing. You think that's all price?
Not all, but a penalty kill is only as good as its goalie.
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We have shot blockers but we are not blocking as much as we used to. Washington has some very good shot blockers in carlson and orpik and alzner that definitely boosts holtbys stats. It's part of the game.
Sure, shot blocking helps. But we're talking about shots on goal, which by definition, have not been blocked. The Habs allow more shots on goal. The Habs also allow more shot attempts, whether they reach goal or not. They do, however, block more shots.
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also, do not forget QUALITY OF SHOTS!
Ovi could score from the moon if it was allowed by rule. Really, goalies are so good in the NHL, most goals come off of rebounds, and Price doesn't allow those because he is sort of awesome. But he is carrying the Habs this year. There's nothing wrong with that, and in fact, history is littered with Cup champions carried by their great goalie. I wouldn't bet against it.
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Posted on 3/3/15 at 10:18 am to Baloo
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Not all, but a penalty kill is only as good as its defensemen
FIFY
Posted on 3/3/15 at 10:26 am to TXGunslinger10
Actually, I'd argue the forwards are more important on a penalty kill, as they harrass the point of attack. A defenseman's job doesn't change that much from 5 on 5 to the penalty kill, but a forward's job radically changes, as there is no center help.
Still, most teams run a power play on the philosophy of keeping the puck to the outside and allow the goalie to see the puck. It's the offense that wants traffic in the lanes so they can get a fortunate bounce. Almost every team feels that its goalie can make a save on a clean look from the outside. And unless you are the Winnipeg Jets, you're probably right.
Still, most teams run a power play on the philosophy of keeping the puck to the outside and allow the goalie to see the puck. It's the offense that wants traffic in the lanes so they can get a fortunate bounce. Almost every team feels that its goalie can make a save on a clean look from the outside. And unless you are the Winnipeg Jets, you're probably right.
Posted on 3/3/15 at 10:31 am to Baloo
Where teams get killed on the penalty kill is by not picking up the trash around the goal. Teams who let the puck hang around in the crease are your shitty PK teams
The D men have to fight off screens, knock away rebounds, and clear the puck from the zone.
They do the majority of the work.
The forwards do have a large task but they're always having to scramble for position due to the man disadvantage.
The D men have to fight off screens, knock away rebounds, and clear the puck from the zone.
They do the majority of the work.
The forwards do have a large task but they're always having to scramble for position due to the man disadvantage.
Posted on 3/3/15 at 12:30 pm to TXGunslinger10
Defensemen and Forwards are both important to the PK. The D's responsibility doesn't change but the intensity of their job does. They also don't get support from the forwards like they do on 5-5
Hate to break up this pillow fight of nonsense, but think a discussion about tonight's matchup of western conference teams is warrented. As of today, the Kings (WTF??) are out of the playoffs. Yeah, I know all they need to do is get into the playoffs, and yeah, I know it's the oilers, but really the only player that's been playing great as of late is Quick. The offense has been cold as shite and they've lost the last 3 games.
Scrivens has been hot for the Oil. Think the Kings prolly win but still rediculous that they are in this position at this point of the season.
Other game of interest for me is San Jose / Vancouver. Will be interesting to see if San Jose can claw their way back in.
Allright back to arguing about PKs
Hate to break up this pillow fight of nonsense, but think a discussion about tonight's matchup of western conference teams is warrented. As of today, the Kings (WTF??) are out of the playoffs. Yeah, I know all they need to do is get into the playoffs, and yeah, I know it's the oilers, but really the only player that's been playing great as of late is Quick. The offense has been cold as shite and they've lost the last 3 games.
Scrivens has been hot for the Oil. Think the Kings prolly win but still rediculous that they are in this position at this point of the season.
Other game of interest for me is San Jose / Vancouver. Will be interesting to see if San Jose can claw their way back in.
Allright back to arguing about PKs
This post was edited on 3/3/15 at 12:35 pm
Posted on 3/3/15 at 1:37 pm to ironsides
Well, I don't care that much about PK's. I was more arguing that the Habs are a decent roster propped up by a phenomenal goalie. It makes them a Cup contender, but they only go as far as Price can take them. Without Price, they are probably fighting with Boston for playoff positioning (still easily in, though). With Price, they are fighting for the #1 seed.
The only team that truly scares me in the East is the Rangers, if Lundqvist gets healthy. Everyone else you can just put in a bag and shake up. Almost every series is a coin flip.
I'm not worried about the Kings. Two games in hand against the Sharks, and they are tied with the Flames, who just lost Gio for the season and traded away GlenX, who was 3rd on the team in points. Flames are packing it up.
The only team that truly scares me in the East is the Rangers, if Lundqvist gets healthy. Everyone else you can just put in a bag and shake up. Almost every series is a coin flip.
I'm not worried about the Kings. Two games in hand against the Sharks, and they are tied with the Flames, who just lost Gio for the season and traded away GlenX, who was 3rd on the team in points. Flames are packing it up.
Posted on 3/3/15 at 1:41 pm to ironsides
That's great news. We play the Kings Thursday
Posted on 3/3/15 at 1:43 pm to ironsides
quote:it's our way. I believe Calgary lost gio for the year and we have two games in the hand against san jose. I'm not worried about us missing
As of today, the Kings (WTF??) are out of the playoffs
This post was edited on 3/3/15 at 1:44 pm
Posted on 3/3/15 at 1:45 pm to Baloo
Baloo, I always enjoy reading your posts. You're a good contributor to the thread and I remember you rooting for the Habs last year in the playoffs...so 
But are you really insinuating that Carey Price alone is the difference between the last team in and the 1 seed?
But are you really insinuating that Carey Price alone is the difference between the last team in and the 1 seed?
Posted on 3/3/15 at 1:50 pm to TXGunslinger10
Only 9 points in the standings separate 1st from 7th right now, so... yeah. I think Price has been worth about 10 standings points. Like I said, safely in.
Posted on 3/3/15 at 1:54 pm to Baloo
id be willing to bet he's worth more than just 10 standings points. He's kept us in a lot of games this year.
I think my whole point was that you can't discount the rest of the roster just because we have the best goaltender in the league
I think my whole point was that you can't discount the rest of the roster just because we have the best goaltender in the league
Posted on 3/3/15 at 3:15 pm to Baloo
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The only team that truly scares me in the East is the Rangers
That's funny - as a Rangers fan, the only team that scares me in the East is also the Rangers. We have been inconsistent on lines 2-4 this year.
Islanders don't scare you?
Posted on 3/3/15 at 3:34 pm to ironsides
The new Vegas odds came out a bit ago. Blues at 11/2 best value to win western conf.
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Odds to win the 2015 Stanley Cup (First odds are from 2/3/15, second odds are today's 3/3/15 update)
2/3/15 Current Odds
Chicago Blackhawks 6/1 15/2
Anaheim Ducks 6/1 9/1
Nashville Predators 14/1 9/1
Montreal Canadiens 12/1 10/1
St. Louis Blues 9/1 10/1
Los Angeles Kings 16/1 12/1
New York Islanders 12/1 12/1
New York Rangers 14/1 12/1
Pittsburgh Penguins 12/1 12/1
Boston Bruins 12/1 14/1
Detroit Red Wings 14/1 14/1
Minnesota Wild 50/1 14/1
Tampa Bay Lightning 12/1 14/1
Washington Capitals 25/1 18/1
San Jose Sharks 16/1 25/1
Vancouver Canucks 33/1 25/1
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Conference Odds
Odds to win the 2015 Eastern Conference
Montreal Canadiens 5/1
New York Islanders 11/2
New York Rangers 11/2
Pittsburgh Penguins 11/2
Tampa Bay Lightning 11/2
Boston Bruins 6/1
Detroit Red Wings 6/1
Washington Capitals 9/1
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Odds to win the 2015 Western Conference
Chicago Blackhawks 15/4
Nashville Predators 4/1
Anaheim Ducks 9/2
Los Angeles Kings 11/2
St. Louis Blues 11/2
Minnesota Wild 7/1
San Jose Sharks 12/1
Vancouver Canucks 14/1
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Who will win the James Norris Trophy as the NHL’s best defenseman?
Shea Weber 7/4
Kris Letang 4/1
Drew Doughty 4/1
Duncan Keith 5/1
Posted on 3/3/15 at 3:40 pm to UltimateHog
this slump the Preds are in really sucks, but hopefully we get it out of the way now as opposed to when the playoffs roll around. though if we lose a few more I will officially dub this the curse of Olli Jokinen
Posted on 3/3/15 at 4:11 pm to ironsides
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Islanders don't scare you?
Isles haven't beaten the Caps in regulation all year (Caps are 2-0-2). And one of their OT wins was total BS. I just don't think the Isles have outplayed the Caps once this year, so it's tough to be scared of them as a potential matchup.
I mean, I know they have great underlying metrics, and Tavares is one of the best players in the league. They've got depth, speed, and talent. They are just absurdly deep. Rationally, I know all of these things... they are also the f'n Isles. I just can't bring myself to fear them.
Posted on 3/3/15 at 4:16 pm to Baloo
Tavares is the real deal no doubt
Posted on 3/3/15 at 5:27 pm to TXGunslinger10
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I think my whole point was that you can't discount the rest of the roster just because we have the best goaltender in the league
nah man, the rest of the team doesn't do a fricking thing. forwards and D men sit on the bench all game. no shot blockers, no penalty killers, carey does it all!
just like that cat ovie on the caps.
seriously though, a bunch of our roster is right there with backstrom in goals scored. only reason backstrom has those assists he has is because of who he is playing with.
backstrom has 18 goals.
pleks has 19
chucky has 18
gally has 17
so if our roster sucks other than carey, does the caps roster suck other than ovie?
BOOM!
This post was edited on 3/3/15 at 6:01 pm
Posted on 3/3/15 at 6:18 pm to Fat Bastard
All I know is that there is a mystique about the Habs, there is no other team that engenders the loyalty and passion that they do (outside my own club of course) and last spring when I was in Quebec the whole Province seemed to be urging them on...I wouldn't bet against the Habs in the playoffs is all I'd say...
Posted on 3/3/15 at 7:07 pm to LSUCanFAN
It's true. And I know this isn't popular to say as a Habs fan, but as dominant as we've always been, the fact that we haven't won a cup in 22 years is actually a good thing for the league. It means that the league overall as a whole is way more competitive.
Now, with that being said, it's high time we win another cup dammit.
Now, with that being said, it's high time we win another cup dammit.
Posted on 3/3/15 at 7:35 pm to Fat Bastard
I never said the Habs' roster sucks. I said it was fairly ordinary, and they are in first place overall because of Price. They would be a playoff team without Price. I don't think the Caps are a playoff team without Ovi, though it would be close.
But here's the top 9 goal scorers for the Habs then the Caps:
30 - 19 - 18 - 17 - 12 - 11 - 9 - 9 - 8
41 - 18 - 18 - 17 - 15 - 15 - 10 - 9 - 9
Well, Ovi's now at 42, but you can see the power of the Caps 3rd line there.
But here's the top 9 goal scorers for the Habs then the Caps:
30 - 19 - 18 - 17 - 12 - 11 - 9 - 9 - 8
41 - 18 - 18 - 17 - 15 - 15 - 10 - 9 - 9
Well, Ovi's now at 42, but you can see the power of the Caps 3rd line there.
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