re: Recruiting ratings are not all they're cracked up to be

the answer to all your questions

yeah clearly there are a lot of issues with rating

1. they don't scout every player equally
2. they are trying to sell subscriptions so they have to pump up uncommitted kids to keep it interesting.

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I'll pose this question again, when is the last time a team loaded with 2-3 star recruits or "average high school recruits" (before the rating system), won a national championship?

We are in the business of winning college ball. Some of those really good 2 and 3 star NFL players have average college careers and blow up in the NFL.

There is so much wrong with people using this crap that the OP brings up, that it hurts my head.

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Teams don't win because they get high ranked players.

Players get ranked high because they commit/get offered by teams that win

actually, there is a high correlation of finish in the recruiting battles and winning the SEC west.

there are THOUSANDS of three stars, so there are more 3 stars in the NFL than 5 stars. There are between 20 and 30 five stars each year.

Stats say that 20% of five stars make it in the NFL.

How do you like Patrick Peterson on Az?

Agree some, disagree some. First, hard to condemn a class which by Rivals (still the one I consider the best) has LSU with 4 5*. Where you could seriously question the class is 1 DL and 0 LBers at this point. You have 18 commits and only 1 commit in the front 7 of the defense. Also, Grimes is doing a better job than Studrawa his last few years but as James Smith the other day during his chat, he thought that Grimes would be doing better recruiting. Hard to give him credit for Maea Teuhema since of course he came with his brother Sione.

Where is a "stud" {sorry, couldn't resist that one} OL that he himself is responsible for? And it isn't like a guy who comes to LSU as an OL is going to be "miles" {oops, did it again, sorry} down the depth chart.

so, name all the teams that have won the national championship in the BCS era that DON'T routinely land top 10-12 classes? I'll hang up and listen.

Me thinks you didn't think this one through. There are MANY more 2 and 3 star players each year, and only a select number of 4 and 5 star players. Of course a lowly ranked player can turn out to be a superstar. Odds are though, that about 50% of 5 star players go on to the pros. Less than 10% of 3 star or lower players go on to the NFL. I'll build my team full of 5 stars thank you.

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They didn't win a NC but got into 2 championship games...Oregon. They had a lot more 3* than 4* and very, very few 5*. Here is their 24/7 composite rankings for the last many years.

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So again when has the last team loaded with two and three stars won a national championship???

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2014 - 21st 2013 - 19th 2012 - 13th 2011 - 11th 2010 - 13th 2009 - 28th 2008 - 23rd 2007 - 14th 0 Top 10 finishes and made 2 of the last 5 CGs.

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Also, you are telling me a team who is consistently in the top 20 recruiting, qualifies for this????

A team loaded with 2 and 3 stars aren't winning a national title. They may win a small arse conference title with others teams having 2 and 3 star recruits, but not a national title.

Also, look at Oregon's 2014 roster and tell me that even comes close to qualifying as a bunch of 2 and 3 stars. Wow they went to a championship in 2010 in a garbage arse conference, you saw how we lit their assessment up in 2011.

Oregon 2014 players

Ekpre Ifo Olomu CB 4 star
Christian French OLB 4 star
Arik Armstead DE 5 star
Pharoah Brown TE 4 star
Reggie Daniels SS 4 star
Evan Baylis TE 4 star
Alex Balducci DE 4 star
Byron Marshall RB/WR 4 star
Thomas Tyner RB 5 star
Royce Freeman RB 4 (damn near 5) star
DeForest Buckner DE 4 star
Dwayne Stanford WR 4 star
Andre Yruretagoyena OT 4 star
Dior Mathis CB 4 star
Tyree Robinson FS 4 star
Cameron Hunt OG 4 star
Devon Allen WR 4 star


This is just the damn two deep for this year aside from like one DE.

Did you even try to look this shite up??? Oregon has tons of injured, suspended, or just depth 4 stars behind those guys as well.

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. Ignore the ESPN (or whatever) stars. Pick the guys with the skill set you need and with the attitude and intelligence to work at their craft.

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That's pretty much what the coaches do. The rating services however are no blind and they too can see that certain players are better than others and that's why those guys get 5*.

Great post. Was just about to post to go look at the top of the depth chart at Oregon and see the ratings of those kids. The reason for their low class rankings are twofold. First, they generally take smaller classes than most ranked ahead(they don't over sign, process or whatever you want to call it). Second, their classes are top heavy therefore the bottom half are lower ranked kids bring down the overall ranking. Kind of like our class this year. Those 4 5* kids and high 4s are the only reason our class isn't in the 20s or 30s.

Our class will end up around 10 or so but isn't really a complete class. Its great in a couple of areas but very weak in others. IMO not really a top 10 type class unless we fill some of those holes no matter what a ranking site says. All of our power in the class is at rb,wr and db. Even with Teuhema our OL class is kind of men.