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re: Chavis's departure will end up being a blessing

Posted on 1/23/15 at 8:15 pm to
Posted by chilge1
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Posted on 1/23/15 at 8:15 pm to
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Posted by tjohn deaux
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Posted on 1/24/15 at 6:29 am to
I was also getting tired of the Chavis defenses allowing late game comebacks, when they had stopped the other team all game long; a far cry from the Muschamp D that, in 2003 was still sacking Jason White to end the NCG. That D was the same D all game long, just plain nasty.
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Posted on 1/24/15 at 11:30 pm to
Posted by SlowFlowPro
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Posted on 1/25/15 at 9:02 am to
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I think our defense will be pretty much unchanged in results.

i think we're going to be a feast/famine D. lots of negative plays created, and we will give up a frickload of big plays to offenses

i'm curious to see how that plays out with our offense
Posted by SlowFlowPro
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Posted on 1/25/15 at 9:08 am to
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You are not a "great" defensive coordinator if you average 3 losses per year during your 6 tenure (18 losses) and lose 4 of 6 bowl games.

not fair

LSU has put out vomit and excrement on offense under chavis's tenure except one year (and even then we weren't super duper amazing)

i'm not a chavis fanboy, but he's the only reason our program hasn't fallen off a fricking cliff, and the only reason les miles is still here. our putrid and mortifying offense has led to our issues with losses
Posted by EyeoftheTiger 2015
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Posted on 1/25/15 at 9:10 am to
Yeah, much correctly has been made about Chavis giving up too many 3rd and long conversions and the collapse in the last 2 minutes of many games, but what is showing up now was the lack of effort (and I will throw Haley in there also now) as far as DL and LB recruiting for the 2015 class. IF LSU does a decent job at the front 7 on defense in recruiting, the credit belongs to the 2 new defensive coaches...certainly the foundation was NOT laid by the ones no longer on the coaching staff.
Posted by SlowFlowPro
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Posted on 1/25/15 at 9:11 am to
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The amount of delusion in thinking that Steele is a proven upgrade over Chavis leaving is incredible.

this thread is about the upgrade in recruiting, which is a massive upgrade. only a few rantards have made them comparable in Xs and Os

we're aiming at Alabama, which needs that type of recruiting

TAMU is trying to aim at LSU

there's a difference in talent-requirement
Posted by SlowFlowPro
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Posted on 1/25/15 at 9:14 am to
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but what is showing up now was the lack of effort (and I will throw Haley in there also now) as far as DL and LB recruiting for the 2015 class.

i think part of that was a "fournette" approach for 2016 where we clear the cubpoard a year to sell PT next year

i mean, at least with DT, we have recruited a bunch of guys recently. we have 3 quality, proven guys (lacouture, godchaux, thomas) and 1 super-recruit in the wings (valentine) on the rost right now. 3 are very young

i can let the DT stuff slide for that reason

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IF LSU does a decent job at the front 7 on defense in recruiting, the credit belongs to the 2 new defensive coaches...certainly the foundation was NOT laid by the ones no longer on the coaching staff.

in 2015? sure

moving forward? that's a ridiculous statement. the former staff recruited a ton of quality DL and LB in their time

the foundation is already in place
Posted by misey94
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Posted on 1/25/15 at 12:06 pm to
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moving forward? that's a ridiculous statement. the former staff recruited a ton of quality DL and LB in their time the foundation is already in place


The DL recruiting wasn't an issue until this year, but consistent development, especially at DE, has been suspect.

However, to say that LB recruiting and development has been fine under Chavis is pretty ridiculous. We've had 2 big time impact LBs in 6 years. TWO. Then you have Kwon and one or two others who have been good and solid. The rest have been average to flat-out disappointing.

Now we have Beckwith, who was at least given a look at DE and may have been moved due to urgent need. He has loads of potential, but still has issues (see the ND game, when he went back to looking totally lost). Then you have Clifton Garrett, who has a great pedigree, but we haven't seen how that will translate to the field yet.

Past those two? Average to disappointing. And anyone who looks at our returning depth chart and current recruiting and says we are in great shape is fooling themselves. We are thin with Kwon leaving, and if we don't land Leo Lewis, we could be facing another average to below average year at the position.

Here's hoping that Steele can improve our performance at LB. In my opinion, our lack of consistency there was the most disappointing part of Chavis' tenure based on his reputation.
This post was edited on 1/25/15 at 12:08 pm
Posted by EyeoftheTiger 2015
Member since Jan 2015
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Posted on 1/25/15 at 12:10 pm to
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i can let the DT stuff slide for that reasoni can let the DT stuff slide for that reaso


Right, I should have said DE more than DT, but still the DE and LB positions need some depth from THIS class. And Chavis and Haley were doing a poor job!

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moving forward? that's a ridiculous statement. the former staff recruited a ton of quality DL and LB in their time


Really? So you are calling Gilmore, Herron, Neal, and Bain quality recruits in those areas? Really? Funny, I thought they had been at LSU for 2 years and I see their pictures on milk cartons instead. Also, going back to the last 13 LBers signed by LSU, hard to insinuate that more than 3 really turned out to be impact players in the most generous definition....K Alexander, K Beckwith, and I'm ASSUMING the 3rd will be C Garrett. 3 out of 13 LBers...sorry, that is a poor percentage of success.
This post was edited on 1/25/15 at 12:17 pm
Posted by misey94
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Posted on 1/25/15 at 12:20 pm to
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Really? So you are calling Gilmore, Herron, Neal, and Bain quality recruits in those areas? Really? Funny, I thought they had been at LSU for 2 years and I see their pictures on milk cartons instead.


This year, we will start to find out if we have had a massive case of the busts at DL the last two years, or if Haley dropped the ball. Because from a recruiting perspective, that was considered to be a can't miss group at the time. Busts happen, but usually not in such big numbers. Then it starts to look like a coaching/development issue.

I will be pretty surprised if two of the guys on your list don't get a big boost from working under Coach O. He isn't just a recruiter.
Posted by LSURulzSEC
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Posted on 1/25/15 at 12:20 pm to
It is a blessing...been wanting him gone for 3 years now...
Posted by misey94
Hernando, MS
Member since Jan 2007
23327 posts
Posted on 1/25/15 at 12:30 pm to
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i think we're going to be a feast/famine D. lots of negative plays created, and we will give up a frickload of big plays to offenses


How we will perform and even what our defensive scheme will look like is all conjecture at this point. However, it possible to be solid fundamentally without being ultra conservative. I think a lot of Tiger fans have bought into the idea that this an either-or scenario. We know that Steele has a reputation for being more aggressive, and that Orgeron is definitely going to inject more fire into the front 4 than we've seen for a while.

However, a more aggressive approach doesn't necessarily mean rushing 6 or 7 at the QB every play. It doesn't automatically mean more big plays given up. But everything from now until the middle of September is just opinions and guesses.
Posted by White Flash
Member since Jan 2015
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Posted on 1/25/15 at 1:17 pm to
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But everything from now until the middle of September is just opinions and guesses.



i agree. whether chavis leaving is a blessing or not, we'll see.

what does piss me off is the way he left and the loss to nd on a last sec field goal. we had a chance to be one of only 2 or 3 teams to have an all time winning record over nd. its those types of things that make college football so awesome and we blew a rare opportunity.
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