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Chavis's departure will end up being a blessing

Posted on 1/20/15 at 12:39 pm
Posted by BilJ
Member since Sep 2003
158719 posts
Posted on 1/20/15 at 12:39 pm
I don't follow recruiting like I used to, but it blew my mind to read today that currently we only have 1 DL commitment and 0 LBs. How is this possible? Chavis' scheme pretty much revolves around his front 7 and you were prepared to end this cycle only adding 1 player to it? Yikes. I'm not in love with the guy we replaced him with, but it seems fairly obvious complacency had set in and a shake up was very much needed.

Here's hoping O and Steele can cover ground quickly and land some of these big targets.

Emjoy this first few weeks on the job where Chavis pretends he's going to be an active recruiter A&M fans
Posted by Tiger Nation 84
Member since Dec 2011
36504 posts
Posted on 1/20/15 at 12:42 pm to
I do agree, I think he became stale here, we needed a new breath of life in our program
Posted by ProjectP2294
South St. Louis city
Member since May 2007
69987 posts
Posted on 1/20/15 at 12:46 pm to
Apparently the reason Brick always came in second was because he was handling the DL and LB recruiting so his buddy didn't have to get off his fat arse and talk to the players he may end up coaching.
Posted by SwampyLSU
Member since Aug 2014
1605 posts
Posted on 1/20/15 at 12:50 pm to
We have a pretty good shot at landing key and possibly prince along with flipping Leo Lewis. If we bring those guys in I'm not sure we need anyone else because the 16 class is loaded. Either way we know were gonna have a good class next year with coach O
Posted by bwallcubfan
Louisiana
Member since Sep 2007
38114 posts
Posted on 1/20/15 at 12:52 pm to
Weren't you pretty upset at the Steele hiring?
Posted by VermilionTiger
Member since Dec 2012
37549 posts
Posted on 1/20/15 at 12:56 pm to
Didn't you hear? Just having Chavis in P&G was enough recruiting in itself

So glad that fat arse is off our staff.
Posted by BilJ
Member since Sep 2003
158719 posts
Posted on 1/20/15 at 12:56 pm to
quote:

I'm not in love with the guy we replaced him with,
Posted by BilJ
Member since Sep 2003
158719 posts
Posted on 1/20/15 at 12:58 pm to
quote:

We have a pretty good shot at landing key and possibly prince along with flipping Leo Lewis


and thats great, but the new hires pretty much got our foot in the door there. The previous regime was looking at bringing in 1 guy to a crucial area. That's inexcusable, regardless of how stacked the next year should be.
Posted by Guava Jelly
Bawston
Member since Jul 2009
11651 posts
Posted on 1/20/15 at 1:01 pm to
Although he hasn't landed anyone yet, Ed O's enthusiasm is pretty infectious. It's hard not to get excited when you hear him talk about the team.
Posted by Placebeaux
Bobby Fischer Fan Club President
Member since Jun 2008
51852 posts
Posted on 1/20/15 at 1:03 pm to
Chavis was handed a high performance machine and did nothing but put regular unleaded in it since he got it.
Posted by bwallcubfan
Louisiana
Member since Sep 2007
38114 posts
Posted on 1/20/15 at 1:04 pm to
quote:

I'm not in love with the guy we replaced him with,


Well yeah I read that, but I seem to remember you were livid. I'm not calling you out...I was upset for a day...but I came around on it.
Posted by Palm Beach Tiger
Orlando, Florida
Member since Jan 2007
29853 posts
Posted on 1/20/15 at 1:07 pm to
Pretty sure the ed o hire eased the pain of hiring ks as the dc. If we could have gotten o and kept chavis i think we would be better though. His defense was really nasty with a great d line.
Posted by EyeoftheTiger 2015
Member since Jan 2015
294 posts
Posted on 1/20/15 at 1:08 pm to
Today, as opposed to 15 years ago, coaches have to be active recruiters along with decent position/coordinators. John Chavis may not like it....Bo Pelini may not like it...Charlie Strong may not like it but if you do NOT smooze, you lose. It is as simple as that.

Also, sounds like Steele doesn't believe in the "hybrid LBer" that apparently Chavis did. 12 years ago, it might have been a good idea. But with personnel being changed out so much now, I want big LBers out there. LSU has been too small overall at LBer for years. Minter an exception, Beckwith (started out paying DE) an exception, but generally LSU's LBers have been undersized. I think Steele will recruit larger LBers.
Posted by Ace Midnight
Between sanity and madness
Member since Dec 2006
89453 posts
Posted on 1/20/15 at 1:09 pm to
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That's inexcusable, regardless of how stacked the next year should be.


CFB players have a 3 to 5 year cycle, by exception. LSU should sign 25 players, unless total cap limited, period. A typical class should look like this:

1 QB (*)

2 RBs

1 FB/TE

3 WR

4 OL

4 DL

4 LB

3 DB

3 "Other" - specialists, a blue chip player for whom you must make room, "position of need", 2nd QB (occasionally), athletes who project at another position (TE might grow into OT)

If you have any attrition at all (LSU does) - you just barely keep up with demand at the position. A full 85 will look something like this (more or less - each group's slack is probably 1 either way):

4 QB

11 RB/FB/TE

12 WR

14 OL

12 DL

12 LB

12 DB

8 specialists (PK, P, SNP, Return specialists, etc.)
This post was edited on 1/20/15 at 1:17 pm
Posted by dagrippa
Saigon
Member since Nov 2004
11283 posts
Posted on 1/20/15 at 1:11 pm to
I agree though I was pretty pissed for a time. Chavis didn't give a frick about recruiting and his scheme requires talent to work. It's seems like our coaches had grown tired about pulling Chavis' weight on the trail for the last few years.

Hopefully the scheme gets better or at least doesn't fall off too much.
Posted by BilJ
Member since Sep 2003
158719 posts
Posted on 1/20/15 at 1:12 pm to
quote:

Well yeah I read that, but I seem to remember you were livid. I'm not calling you out...I was upset for a day...but I came around on it.


I've come around a bit, but am still pretty skeptical due to his past. I like his recruiting abilities and switching to a more aggressive scheme. Will he be more effective at this stop? We'll see.
Posted by vjm41
Lake Charles, La
Member since Jan 2008
910 posts
Posted on 1/20/15 at 1:14 pm to
NOPE, He did a good job. With any offense we would have had Championships more so than not. Miles has not held up his end of the deal and he can if he just stays home on game day
This post was edited on 1/20/15 at 1:16 pm
Posted by RBWilliams8
Member since Oct 2009
53417 posts
Posted on 1/20/15 at 1:20 pm to
I feel like he kind of relaxed too much knowing the offense would take all of the blame.
Posted by RB10
Member since Nov 2010
43785 posts
Posted on 1/20/15 at 1:24 pm to
#tdecline started in the front 7. Hopefully O and Steele can reverse it.
Posted by IsaacBrown2
Baton Rouge, LA
Member since Feb 2012
150 posts
Posted on 1/20/15 at 1:29 pm to
Here is the reality for all on the fence with the Chavis departure and Steele coming in.....

Chavis had a great reputation from his days in Tenn, but if people really remember, the SEC was bad then. His only competition was Florida and some of the early 90's Bama teams. Just go look at how they did against those good teams. Poorly! At LSU, he got acclaim for the Oregon game and the 2 games against aTm. The reality was all he did was go man and apply pressure because of the speed he had and the DBs he had to use. Beyond that, he gave up 4th Qtr leads that ended up losses over the last 4-5 year about a dozen times. Most to mediocre teams and once at home to Bama.

He has never been a great recruiter and his LBs have never been special. Minter was the only one that I would say played as an All American LB. It took him 1 year and 5 weeks, with 2 blowout losses to realize Welter should never be on the field in front of Beckwith. How many think any other coach would have done this???? Poor gameplan against Miss St, Auburn, Arkansas and Notre Dame. Poor LB play for a couple years with no good LB recruiting. Beckwith was a great get but he wasn't the lead and he moved the states second best LB in that class to FB who is not since off the team.

To me, Chavis was a product of Patrick Peterson, Honey Badger, Mingo, Brockers, Logan, Minter, Reid, Simon, Claiborne, and the list goes on. It would be hard pressed to screw up that talent. But I heard some say that it wasn't his fault because we were young and "Les" did bring in the talent. Well, when your DC is too lazy to recruit, also is not a great teacher.....how can you sustain excellence?

LSU is in a far greater position just for the fact that Steele is a bigtime recruiter. He may be a 7 to Chiefs 8 or 9 in the X & O dept(if the reputations are true). But I would much rather a coach who can bring in stud NFL talent and could motivate them to get it done, as apposed to another guy who says his reputation and scheme should bring in the talent that he can't coach up. Add to that is coach O, who is an all-time top 5 recruiter/DL coaches in the modern era. The kids he has been able to get at every stop and the production of the DL makes he and Steele home runs over Chief and Brick. I love what Brick did as a recruiter, but the DL has been HORRIBLE since he arrived. The last 3 years the DL has under-performed to say that least. From Montgomery, Freak Johnson, Ego, Mingo, Hunter, Rasco, Herron....the bigtime kids ended up looking average. I for a change in Herron and the rest of the DL.

Sorry for the long post..... looking forward now!
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