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re: Chavis's departure will end up being a blessing
Posted on 1/21/15 at 1:17 pm to Datbayoubengal
Posted on 1/21/15 at 1:17 pm to Datbayoubengal
Agree 100%. I posted this in another thread...
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Chavis was elite with elite talent and average with average talent. 2009-10 was good but not great, and the same can be said for 2013-14 .
Here are LSU's 2012-13 NFL draft picks, broken down by player, round, and team.
DE Barkevious Mingo, first round, Cleveland
S Eric Reid, first round, San Francisco
CB Morris Claiborne, first round, Dallas
DT Michael Brockers, first round, St. Louis
LB Kevin Minter, second round, Arizona
DT Bennie Logan, third round, Philadelphia
S Brandon Taylor, third round, San Diego
DB Tyrann Mathieu, third round, Arizona
DE Sam Montgomery, third round, Houston
CB Tharold Simon, fifth round, Seattle
DE Lavar Edwards, fifth round, Tennessee
Without these guys in the lineup, our defense was pretty ho-hum as indicated by the stats I posted on the last page.
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Posted on 1/21/15 at 9:06 pm to BilJ
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'm just saying he leans heavily, especially on his DL to generate his pass rush frick face. Seems most understood what I was getting at, I'm sorry you're dumb.
Lol. Dumb statement is dumb. ALL DCs concentrate on front 7.
I'm Soooo hurt you resorted to name calling to msn your stupidity. It's typical of an immature kid who is called out.
Sleep well you defensive guru
Posted on 1/21/15 at 9:21 pm to SwampyLSU
We can always use more depth in the front seven, its freakn scary not adding at least 2 and 2 every year and I just don't get why we can't? It has to be just laziness doing this bc OM is out recruiting us at this time in this department which is CRAZY. Its a freakn shame but we are behind big time in the front seven compared to OM, Aub, FL, Tenn, and bama. Possibly Missouri too? Nuts just nuts, should never be the case!!! This is LSU and Les has let it go on too damn long. Time to wake the effe up and I hopr these new hires do just that. 
Posted on 1/21/15 at 9:38 pm to BayouBengal99
Uh, I have to disagree as far as what was supposed to happen. You say were behind on the front 7 right? Here is why LSU doesn't have that depth.
Gilmore - 5* by some - milk carton
Herron - 5* by some - milk carton
Bain - supposed to improve dramatically - milk carton
Neal - decent HS player - milk carton
It was NOT bad recruiting but one of 3 things or maybe combination:
1) bad evaluation by dozens of teams since they guys were wanted big time
2) Brick Haley stopped coaching the guys up
3) attitude by the players isn't the best
Thank God, Lacouture has proven to be serviceable and Godchaux the TR FR played like Glenn Dorsey reincarnated as a college player
Gilmore - 5* by some - milk carton
Herron - 5* by some - milk carton
Bain - supposed to improve dramatically - milk carton
Neal - decent HS player - milk carton
It was NOT bad recruiting but one of 3 things or maybe combination:
1) bad evaluation by dozens of teams since they guys were wanted big time
2) Brick Haley stopped coaching the guys up
3) attitude by the players isn't the best
Thank God, Lacouture has proven to be serviceable and Godchaux the TR FR played like Glenn Dorsey reincarnated as a college player
This post was edited on 1/21/15 at 9:41 pm
Posted on 1/21/15 at 9:48 pm to BilJ
One things for sure.....if we keep it close against aTm in the 4th Quarter we know how to drive it down the field to beat them at the buzzer. Just do what Bama did to us the last two home games against us. Play HUNH and watch him run that damn prevent defense.
I agree with your post!
I agree with your post!
Posted on 1/21/15 at 11:59 pm to BilJ
Coach 59's departure will be a blessing on the recruiting front (Steele >>>> Coach 59 in recruiting).
Beyond that is TBD. Steele is not an unproven DC. He is a disproven DC. Steele will be given a wealth of talent to work with and a golden opportunity to excel. I'm hoping it'll all come together for him here.
Beyond that is TBD. Steele is not an unproven DC. He is a disproven DC. Steele will be given a wealth of talent to work with and a golden opportunity to excel. I'm hoping it'll all come together for him here.
Posted on 1/22/15 at 12:08 am to AlwysATgr
Chavis system requires a KiKi Mingo to work.
Posted on 1/22/15 at 5:27 am to EyeoftheTiger 2015
Spot on assessment Eye2015. Not only have none of those 5 stars panned out, but Chavis has a top 5 pick in Garrett to work with now. Guys like that make calling plays easy. Chavis will make a crappy defense better, but will still lose 3 games a year.
Posted on 1/22/15 at 6:06 am to EyeoftheTiger 2015
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Brick Haley stopped coaching the guys up
I thought it was pretty telling what type of instruction they were getting when that article about Ego's rookie year came out and how the Bears defensive coaches showed him to get lower and it made a huge difference.
Now, Ego wasn't terrible, but he didn't really live up to expectations... If something that simple couldn't be seen by Haley or Chavis, they weren't doing their jobs.
This post was edited on 1/22/15 at 6:08 am
Posted on 1/22/15 at 8:28 am to zsav77
Looking at this class and the lack of DE and DT's really shows why Chavis didn't get the raise or contract renegotiation. He really didn't do anything for recruiting.
Posted on 1/22/15 at 8:59 am to Duckie
Alleva was smart to let him walk. I wouldn't have even entertained him once I heard he was talking to TAM. I would said carry your arse.
Posted on 1/22/15 at 9:06 am to Tiger Ryno
There are some very good points in this thread...very good.
However, for Chavis leaving to be a "blessing in disguise" we must also assume that Steele will be a better Xs and Os coach.
We can post plenty on why that is likely not true.
So, we are going to have to likely rely on recruiting better talent and better position coaching of that talent to see any appreciable difference.
As we sit here today, I think our defense will be pretty much unchanged in results.
However, for Chavis leaving to be a "blessing in disguise" we must also assume that Steele will be a better Xs and Os coach.
We can post plenty on why that is likely not true.
So, we are going to have to likely rely on recruiting better talent and better position coaching of that talent to see any appreciable difference.
As we sit here today, I think our defense will be pretty much unchanged in results.
Posted on 1/22/15 at 9:14 am to DeltaDoc
Chavis ran a vanilla scheme anyway. Only brought pressure with front 4 and two of the same Ole obvious blitzes from a dB standing at the line of scrimmage. So easy to predict. Steele won't be worse at x an o. He will put far greater lineman and backers on the field.
Posted on 1/22/15 at 9:17 am to Tiger Ryno
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Chavis ran a vanilla scheme anyway. Only brought pressure with front 4 and two of the same Ole obvious blitzes from a dB standing at the line of scrimmage. So easy to predict. Steele won't be worse at x an o. He will put far greater lineman and backers on the field.
Yeah, it's not rocket science what Chavis was doing as far as X/O's go. He had a lot of talent and prepared them (typically) very well.
I have faith Steele can do that. By all accounts he works just as hard at game planning and is more organized, plus he recruits. I think we're in good hands. Time will tell.
I'm still pissed at Chavis after looking at our DL board this year.
Posted on 1/22/15 at 9:17 am to DeltaDoc
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As we sit here today, I think our defense will be pretty much unchanged in results
I'd guess the following:
DL - improved
LB - same
DB - same
Scheme will be the difference and I'm excited to see how they'll look.
Posted on 1/22/15 at 9:18 am to Tiger Ryno
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Steele won't be worse at x an o. He will put far greater lineman and backers on the field.
First off, there is quite literally no way you can make that statement given Steele's less than stellar past.
Second, LSU has placed NFL defensive linemen on the field every year that Chavis has been here (even this year).
I will grant you that I believe Orgeron will be a better DL coach than Brick. I also hope, but do not know, that Steele will coach linebackers better than Chavis.
That said, Steele has a pretty bad record as a DC (having been fired every time). Let's see this play out before we all assume there will be an improvement.
Posted on 1/22/15 at 9:26 am to lsusteve1
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LB - same
should be much improved, or at least better recruited.
This post was edited on 1/22/15 at 9:28 am
Posted on 1/22/15 at 9:27 am to DeltaDoc
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That said, Steele has a pretty bad record as a DC (having been fired every time). Let's see this play out before we all assume there will be an improvement.
I don't think anyone is really saying that. I think everyone is optimistic considering the talent we can pull.
Posted on 1/22/15 at 9:32 am to Duckie
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should be much improved, or at least better recruited.
Let's hope
But we'll miss Kwon early
Posted on 1/22/15 at 9:41 am to Duckie
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I don't think anyone is really saying that. I think everyone is optimistic considering the talent we can pull.
True enough. What I am saying is that while we may be more talented (that is an unknown, but safer to assume), we may not be as well prepared and coached on game day.
Chavis was great at halftime adjustments - bad on late fourth quarter drives.
Steele had a lot of talent at Clemson and was a grease fire.
Thus, my conclusion, that as of right now, I think we will be roughly the same...and I am fine with that right now.
The offense has been and continues to be the glaring issue for us IMO.
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