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re: boat battery help needed
Posted on 1/13/15 at 8:49 am to NASA_ISS_Tiger
Posted on 1/13/15 at 8:49 am to NASA_ISS_Tiger
quote:
If it's on the output side of the relay (w/coil energized)....then I'm a little more befuddled.
yep, on the output side of the relay. also, like i said earlier, none of the 12v accessories that are powered off one of the deep cycle batteries will power up. i'm thinking that i may have disconnected some wire that powers all the switches.
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Posted on 1/13/15 at 8:52 am to mack the knife
Coil engerized. 24V contacts closed allowing 24V to load. Unless there's something between the 24V relay and the trolling motor?
Is there anything between the 24V relay and the motor that would require the 12V to work? If so, then the 12V side is the culprit...you need to find out what's going on with that side.
Is there anything between the 24V relay and the motor that would require the 12V to work? If so, then the 12V side is the culprit...you need to find out what's going on with that side.
Posted on 1/13/15 at 8:57 am to mack the knife
quote:First thing I would do is move all that stuff to the crank. I've never heard of running accc off the 24 volt part. Then, when you have nothing but TM on there, you may have easier trouble shooting.
all other stuff: horn, bilge, aerators, washdown pump are now dead. all i did was disconnect, replace, reconnect. i even labeled MOST of the connections as to which battery they connected to. i ran out of daylight so i quit and opened a beer and came to the OB.
Posted on 1/13/15 at 9:03 am to MSWebfoot
checking all fuses goes without saying.
But until,you said it ,it hadn't been said. This is the prob.
But until,you said it ,it hadn't been said. This is the prob.
Posted on 1/13/15 at 9:05 am to AlxTgr
basic layout: cranking battery is in rear of boat and only cranks battery and powers bilge pump (i think). HOWEVER the perko is back there in the same compartment. the 2 deep cycle batteries are in the center console. rerouting would be a BIG pita.
i'm probably gona disconnect everything in the console but the trolling motor and see what happens, then start reconnecting one item at a time.
i'm probably gona disconnect everything in the console but the trolling motor and see what happens, then start reconnecting one item at a time.
Posted on 1/13/15 at 9:05 am to redfish99
quote:
checking all fuses goes without saying.
done
Posted on 1/13/15 at 9:09 am to mack the knife
quote:That's how my Nautic Star is laid out, but all acc is run to the crank under the starboard jump seat. I wonder why they did it like that?
basic layout: cranking battery is in rear of boat and only cranks battery and powers bilge pump (i think). HOWEVER the perko is back there in the same compartment. the 2 deep cycle batteries are in the center console. rerouting would be a BIG pita.
quote:Yes, good idea.
i'm probably gona disconnect everything in the console but the trolling motor and see what happens, then start reconnecting one item at a time.
Any chance there is a problem at the TM connection? Mine needs a little nudge from time to time.
Posted on 1/13/15 at 9:17 am to AlxTgr
quote:
all acc is run to the crank under the starboard jump seat
ditto. could it be that i have the bilge wires confused with the perko wires?
along those same lines, why do i have "other stuff" connected to one of the deep cycles in the console?
This post was edited on 1/13/15 at 9:18 am
Posted on 1/13/15 at 9:20 am to mack the knife
quote:Very possible. My center console looks like a spider convention, yet almost nothing is connected to the two batteries in there.
could it be that i have the bilge wires confused with the perko wires?
quote:Great question. I've never heard of doing it that way before today.
why do i have "other stuff" connected to one of the deep cycles in the console?
Are there extra small diameter wires on the crank battery?
Posted on 1/13/15 at 9:25 am to AlxTgr
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Are there extra small diameter wires on the crank battery
nope, just starting wires and another intermediate sized pair
Posted on 1/13/15 at 9:37 am to mack the knife
Sounds like your switch might need to be checked. I had them go bad before. Select the switch to port one and take a reading. Repeat at two and repeat at three.
If power is there , trace wire feeds and take another reading. Power there? No, you have a grounding problem. If you have a auto bilge pump switch, check that and check the ohms across when lifting the float switch.
That or you have a bad wire feed somewhere.
If power is there , trace wire feeds and take another reading. Power there? No, you have a grounding problem. If you have a auto bilge pump switch, check that and check the ohms across when lifting the float switch.
That or you have a bad wire feed somewhere.
Posted on 1/13/15 at 9:40 am to fishfighter
thanks for suggestions. i'm gona have to get back to work for now. i'll report back later pm.
Posted on 1/13/15 at 9:21 pm to mack the knife
loose perko switch
Posted on 1/14/15 at 6:10 am to mack the knife
I had that happen once, well something similar. Hooked Perkos back up incorrectly when I rewired boat. Drove me fricking nuts trying to figure out where I fricked up.
Posted on 1/14/15 at 6:18 am to Capt ST
Funny part of this: ms mack's uncle is a boat mechanic (good one!). He stopped by when he heard I was having trouble. He walks up to my boat, doesnt say a word, scratches his chin, bumps the perko, and then has me try the horn - beep beep
he has it now and is gona pass hands over the electrical to make sure nothing else got bumped or jiggled by me
he has it now and is gona pass hands over the electrical to make sure nothing else got bumped or jiggled by me
Posted on 1/14/15 at 6:37 am to mack the knife
That is why I told you to start at the switch. 
Glad you are getting it checked out. Crap like that will leave you on the water in the middle of a storm.
Glad you are getting it checked out. Crap like that will leave you on the water in the middle of a storm.
Posted on 1/14/15 at 7:16 am to mack the knife
Good deal. Glad you got it fixed! (Thanks for coming back and posting final results too...lots of folks forget to do that!)
Posted on 1/14/15 at 8:01 am to fishfighter
quote:
That is why I told you to start at the switch
i made sure it was in "ON" position. i never thought to check if it was loose. i must have bumped it swapping out the starting battery.
i still find it strange that some of the 12v accessories are powered off of 24v deep cycle system yet controlled via the perko. the perko must be controlling power to/from the accessory switch board.
i'll get a full report later today and report back with results if ya'll are interested.
Posted on 1/14/15 at 8:37 am to mack the knife
This is why I hate it when something goes out. Could be so many different spots along the chain, and I fail at electric. Like right now. My livewell suddenly will not fill. I guess i should start at the pump, but the whole thing intimidates me too much to even get started.
Posted on 1/14/15 at 8:41 am to AlxTgr
quote:
This is why I hate it when something goes out. Could be so many different spots along the chain, and I fail at electric. Like right now. My livewell suddenly will not fill. I guess i should start at the pump, but the whole thing intimidates me too much to even get started.
I'd start by checking for juice at the switch if you cant hear the pump running. Probably is a bad pump, though.
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