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Is bountygate part of the problem the Saints are seeing?
Posted on 1/3/15 at 10:09 am
Posted on 1/3/15 at 10:09 am
With the loss of 2 second round draft picks 2012 and 2013 we were not able to update certain positions such as CB and Off Line.
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Posted on 1/3/15 at 10:10 am to expenditionta
the saints had a 2nd round pick this year and took a terrible player that didn't see the field.
This post was edited on 1/3/15 at 10:12 am
Posted on 1/3/15 at 10:11 am to geauxtigers87
Definitely means both of the second rounders would have been busts
Flawless logic
Flawless logic
Posted on 1/3/15 at 10:14 am to TigerBait1127
oh ok. since your blind faith in the saints drafting skills is completely justified. they haven't had awful draft after awful draft. no sir. i'm a dickhead for saying it wouldn't matter because we suck at drafting. go stick your head in the ground some more
Posted on 1/3/15 at 10:17 am to expenditionta
Bounty Gate's loss of 2 picks is a very small problem...the bigger problem is draft day trading away of picks when we are limited in the first place and the biggest problem is missing on the players we are selecting. Our hit and miss ratio is pretty terrible compared to most of the teams you are seeing currently experiencing a lot of success.
So either our scouts suck...or CSP needs to trust them on their evaluations and truly select BPA...not best offensive player on the board because I need more toys that I may or may not use properly or best defensive project.
So either our scouts suck...or CSP needs to trust them on their evaluations and truly select BPA...not best offensive player on the board because I need more toys that I may or may not use properly or best defensive project.
Posted on 1/3/15 at 10:29 am to expenditionta
What's funny about bountygate is that other teams actually think we cheated those years. And as to the question who really knows, but go take a look at the 2013 second round picks. You may cringe
Posted on 1/3/15 at 10:39 am to mmonro3
Lost 2 high picks to Bountygate
Traded away 2 high picks for Ingram and Cooks
Wasted a high pick on SJB
Yeah, that will do it....
Traded away 2 high picks for Ingram and Cooks
Wasted a high pick on SJB
Yeah, that will do it....
Posted on 1/3/15 at 10:52 am to geauxtigers87
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since your blind faith in the saints drafting skills is completely justified.
Where did I have blind faith?
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they haven't had awful draft after awful draft. no sir.
Uh, they haven't
LINK
Last year was terrible though. We've had some great drafts too
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go stick your head in the ground some more
You have terrible reading comprehension to match your terrible logic
This post was edited on 1/3/15 at 10:55 am
Posted on 1/3/15 at 10:55 am to TigerBait1127
Ive always said the Saints need a true GM/talent evaluator. Someone like a ozzie newsome type. Keep Loomis as the cap guy and the Saints will be fixed. Sean is making these dumb draft decisions
Posted on 1/3/15 at 11:23 am to expenditionta
It's definitely a factor. Two high picks gone that could have become key contributors at this point can't be overlooked.
Posted on 1/3/15 at 11:33 am to pimpshiznit
You do NOT need your GM to be a talent evaluator. That's what you hire your scout team to do. So if scouting is an issue then we need to upgrade the scouts. Just like when coaching is an issue we upgrade the coaches. Same with the players.
Managing all of that is the GMs job. Any skills he has outside of managing a team are a bonus. Some GMs have evaluation backgrounds. Some have business backgrounds. VERY few have both.
Managing all of that is the GMs job. Any skills he has outside of managing a team are a bonus. Some GMs have evaluation backgrounds. Some have business backgrounds. VERY few have both.
Posted on 1/3/15 at 11:57 am to TigerBait1127
Uh, whoever made that formula fails, because I don't care how cute of a graphic you make. That is just not true.
And if it is true, than we are just simply effing terrible at all other aspects of the game (and I don't believe that for one second) because I don't need a chart to tell me how we are doing on the field if we are "sixth" in draft performance.
Data extrapolated from pff stats extrapolated from real stats with an arbitrary formula filtering it all can suck on my nuts.
ETA: Look at Dallas all the way the frick down there when everyone and their mom this yr is blaming the drafting strategy for their success this yr. I guess this dipshit with excel is smarter than all those people.
And if it is true, than we are just simply effing terrible at all other aspects of the game (and I don't believe that for one second) because I don't need a chart to tell me how we are doing on the field if we are "sixth" in draft performance.
Data extrapolated from pff stats extrapolated from real stats with an arbitrary formula filtering it all can suck on my nuts.
ETA: Look at Dallas all the way the frick down there when everyone and their mom this yr is blaming the drafting strategy for their success this yr. I guess this dipshit with excel is smarter than all those people.
This post was edited on 1/3/15 at 12:02 pm
Posted on 1/3/15 at 12:29 pm to bonethug0108
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You do NOT need your GM to be a talent evaluator. That's what you hire your scout team to do. So if scouting is an issue then we need to upgrade the scouts. Just like when coaching is an issue we upgrade the coaches. Same with the players.
I don't understand why its hard for people to understand this, yeah, lets hire Matt Millen. Just because Loomis is in the draft room doesn't mean he is making all the decisions on who we draft. He is the numbers guy, we have scouts and position coaches, coordinators, etc, that evaluate players. Loomis just plays with the money. Hopefully he will stop restructuring and just force some paycuts this year with exception of Brees and maybe Gallette. All the restructuring last couple years is coming back to bite us this year, especially with Grubbs and Evans.
Posted on 1/3/15 at 12:54 pm to windshieldman
I remember a former coach on tv saying rule of thumb is to be right on 50% of your picks with hopefully 1 star player. That's considered a good draft. If 2 star players its a great draft. He said
2010-basically hit on 50% with 1 elite. Good draft
P. Robinson- You can say bust but he has played a good bit since he was drafted and other than first few games this year played very well towards the end. Obviously not elite but has been a contributor
C. Brown- A contributor to borderline bust. Did play alot
Jimmy Graham- Elite
Al Woods- bust, at least with us
Tennant- bust
Canfield- dumb pick to begin with
2011- Only 2 of 7 with 1 elite- Average draft
C. Jordan-Elite, especially first 2 years and still played solid against the run this year. Pass rush was never supposed to be his strong suit like so many on this board acted like it was.
Mark Ingram- Good player
M. Wilson- bust
Johnny Patrick- bust
Romeus- I thought it was a great pick, injuries turned him into a bust though
Bussey- I think just played some special teams but didn't last long so bust
2012- Hit good on 4 of 5 picks, can't call Hicks elite after this past year though. Still decent to good draft with limited picks
Hicks-Good, Played great last year and decent this year torwards end of year. I think still a good player
Nick Toon- Played great when given opportunity this year. We have a bunch of retards that base everything off the Jets game from 75 years ago and not intelligent enough to realize he is a Colston style receiver and up until this year wasn't gonna be playing ahead of Colston.
C. White- Not great but a contributor, good tackler, late draft pick
Tiller- sucks
Bryce Harris- Decent backup and contributor on special teams
2013- Hit on 4 out 5 with all 4 having potential of being elite. Great draft
Vacarro- Great last year, sucked to average this year. We will come to middle and say good player
Armstead-Good, one day I think will be elite
Jenkins- solid, one day good. Usually takes NTs a few years to play at high level coming out of college
Stills-Good
Rufus Johnson- He on practice squad? If not, then bust, at least for us.
2014- Jury still out
Cooks-Great pick, will be elite in future
Baptiste- Jury is still out, we will see how things go next year. RR even stated its hard for bigger CB's to adjust to correct technique. Dixon and others are smaller and able to get technique down easier
Fortt- Frick that dude
Sunseri- Looked great on special teams coverage and few snaps on D looked good. At least a good contributor before injury.
Powell-Jury still out, made a few big hits on special teams coverage though
Rooks- Retarded arse pick
2010-basically hit on 50% with 1 elite. Good draft
P. Robinson- You can say bust but he has played a good bit since he was drafted and other than first few games this year played very well towards the end. Obviously not elite but has been a contributor
C. Brown- A contributor to borderline bust. Did play alot
Jimmy Graham- Elite
Al Woods- bust, at least with us
Tennant- bust
Canfield- dumb pick to begin with
2011- Only 2 of 7 with 1 elite- Average draft
C. Jordan-Elite, especially first 2 years and still played solid against the run this year. Pass rush was never supposed to be his strong suit like so many on this board acted like it was.
Mark Ingram- Good player
M. Wilson- bust
Johnny Patrick- bust
Romeus- I thought it was a great pick, injuries turned him into a bust though
Bussey- I think just played some special teams but didn't last long so bust
2012- Hit good on 4 of 5 picks, can't call Hicks elite after this past year though. Still decent to good draft with limited picks
Hicks-Good, Played great last year and decent this year torwards end of year. I think still a good player
Nick Toon- Played great when given opportunity this year. We have a bunch of retards that base everything off the Jets game from 75 years ago and not intelligent enough to realize he is a Colston style receiver and up until this year wasn't gonna be playing ahead of Colston.
C. White- Not great but a contributor, good tackler, late draft pick
Tiller- sucks
Bryce Harris- Decent backup and contributor on special teams
2013- Hit on 4 out 5 with all 4 having potential of being elite. Great draft
Vacarro- Great last year, sucked to average this year. We will come to middle and say good player
Armstead-Good, one day I think will be elite
Jenkins- solid, one day good. Usually takes NTs a few years to play at high level coming out of college
Stills-Good
Rufus Johnson- He on practice squad? If not, then bust, at least for us.
2014- Jury still out
Cooks-Great pick, will be elite in future
Baptiste- Jury is still out, we will see how things go next year. RR even stated its hard for bigger CB's to adjust to correct technique. Dixon and others are smaller and able to get technique down easier
Fortt- Frick that dude
Sunseri- Looked great on special teams coverage and few snaps on D looked good. At least a good contributor before injury.
Powell-Jury still out, made a few big hits on special teams coverage though
Rooks- Retarded arse pick
Posted on 1/3/15 at 4:08 pm to geauxtigers87
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the saints had a 2nd round pick this year and took a terrible player that didn't see the field.
this SP is trying to be too cute with his hidden gem players. Its either him or we need new scouts
Posted on 1/3/15 at 5:50 pm to expenditionta
Trading up for Ingram was the saints 1/9/12
Posted on 1/3/15 at 5:58 pm to WicKed WayZ
Hindsight aside it was a decent pick. Although I'll be honest I was hoping we would have gone for a center. Tired of that being a huge hole offensively.
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