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re: Is avoiding PMI that important?

Posted on 12/30/14 at 8:54 am to
Posted by BoogaBear
Member since Jul 2013
5564 posts
Posted on 12/30/14 at 8:54 am to
This is our thinking as well, this is the end all be all house until we can't go up and down stairs anymore and need a townhouse again

quote:

a townhouse you don't fit in

You know how hard it is to store baby toys, fishing stuff, and 10 gallons of homebrew in a townhouse? My wife is going to hang me soon.
Posted by OceanMan
Member since Mar 2010
20019 posts
Posted on 12/30/14 at 9:15 am to
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Here's another one - if you are early in your career and buying a place to stay in for the next 20-30 years while you raise a family, you might want to consider buying a bit more than you can afford right now. The idea here is that presumably you'll get some significant salary increases in the next 5-10 years and it'll work out.


This is horrible advice.
Posted by BoogaBear
Member since Jul 2013
5564 posts
Posted on 12/30/14 at 9:26 am to
I've been told by a friend who is an agent that for what we want to do, get as much house as we can afford.

I mean we're not going nuts its a 4 bedroom 3.5 bath, 3 car garage, and finished basement.

I'm certainly not buying something I can't afford.
Posted by AUjim
America
Member since Dec 2012
3662 posts
Posted on 12/30/14 at 9:26 am to
quote:

you might want to consider buying a bit more than you can afford right now


quote:

This is horrible advice


And PRECISELY the reason the bubble was created and subsequently burst.
Posted by XanderCrews
Member since Mar 2009
774 posts
Posted on 12/30/14 at 11:00 am to
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Posted by XanderCrews
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Posted on 12/30/14 at 11:00 am to
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Posted by LSUtigerME
Walker, LA
Member since Oct 2012
3796 posts
Posted on 12/30/14 at 11:09 am to
6% of 310k or over $18k

Unless you negotiate a reduced rate with the realtor(s).

The closing and doc fees and all the other BS can add up though. Doing it twice, could reach $18k (realtor doesn't avoid these costs though).
Posted by Brettesaurus Rex
Baton Rouge
Member since Dec 2009
38259 posts
Posted on 12/30/14 at 11:11 am to
I think you can pay some comparable amount up front to avoid the life long payments, which is what we did. More upfront, but we saved exponentially more in the long run.
Posted by ItNeverRains
37069
Member since Oct 2007
25457 posts
Posted on 12/30/14 at 11:45 am to
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Im not real good at math, but if I sold my house myself at a price of 310k how much does that save me vs a realtor?


In the real world, the one where the unrepped buyer wants the unrepped buyer discount in the sales price cause he reads tigerdroppings, max 3%.

But that wasn't your original statement smart guy. If it was it was horribly, horribly worded.

Moving twice vs stretching into a mortgage with PMI on a conventional loan will be more expensive 99.999% of the time. Even without a realtor
This post was edited on 12/30/14 at 11:47 am
Posted by hungryone
river parishes
Member since Sep 2010
11987 posts
Posted on 12/30/14 at 1:27 pm to
One more gentle suggestion: start "editing" your possessions now. If you plan to move in the next year, you'll need to do this anyway. Go thru all the kiddie crap, have a garage sale/eBay/craigslist what you don't use, do the same for hobby/rec stuff. You can make a little extra scratch to put toward a new house, will make your current circumstances less crowded, and will give you an appreciation for how much space you really need.

With oil where it is, I'd be waiting a bit to see where the housing market is headed (assuming you're in the oil patch areas).
Posted by redfish99
B.R.
Member since Aug 2007
16440 posts
Posted on 12/30/14 at 4:36 pm to
It's just money
Posted by WPBTiger
Parts Unknown
Member since Nov 2011
31019 posts
Posted on 12/30/14 at 6:18 pm to
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Paying PMI is throwing money away. So, yes, it is important to avoid it. Keep saving until you hit that 20%, or buy less house.
Posted by Titan
Member since Apr 2008
2471 posts
Posted on 12/31/14 at 8:57 am to
It is important because PMI really is just throwing money away, but it all depends on the situation. We built our house in 2011 and only put 10% down because we didnt want to totally deplete all of our liquid based on the size house we were building. A year and a half later we refinanced and with our new appraisal we had gained $125k in equity. PMI gone. It was a good move.
Posted by ItNeverRains
37069
Member since Oct 2007
25457 posts
Posted on 12/31/14 at 9:06 am to
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It is important because PMI really is just throwing money away, but it all depends on the situation.

A year and a half later we refinanced and with our new appraisal we had gained $125k in equity. PMI gone. It was a good move.


I would argue not taking a mortgage with PMI would have been throwing money away. I'd argue this is true for 90% of all buyers who bought post housing bubble.
Posted by Sho Nuff
Oahu
Member since Feb 2009
11917 posts
Posted on 12/31/14 at 4:20 pm to
quote:

BoogaBear

So what types of #s were you seeing for your mortgage? Did you look at a few different options and which ones sounded the best?
Posted by GirlD
Member since Mar 2015
19 posts
Posted on 3/4/15 at 8:42 pm to
What was that loan called allowed you to buy out of PMI with great credit and 0.05% down? Does everyone offer this or certain loan company's?
Posted by ItNeverRains
37069
Member since Oct 2007
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Posted on 3/5/15 at 7:34 am to
On a conv loan you can put as little as 3% down and roll MI into finance amount of loan for about 2% of loan amount in most cases
Posted by LSUtoOmaha
Nashville
Member since Apr 2004
26579 posts
Posted on 3/5/15 at 9:52 am to
And you have to pay that additional 2% of loan amount until you have 20% equity?
Posted by Sigma
Fairhope, AL
Member since Dec 2005
3643 posts
Posted on 3/5/15 at 10:07 am to
NM
This post was edited on 3/5/15 at 10:10 am
Posted by Croacka
Denham Springs
Member since Dec 2008
61441 posts
Posted on 3/5/15 at 10:07 am to
No, 2% of the loan amount (not the loan rate) gets added to the loan amount and then you just pay off the loan
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