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Audiophile question. Sound quality of digital music(iPhone, mp3, etc, etc )

Posted on 12/25/14 at 2:29 pm
Posted by LSU alum wannabe
Katy, TX
Member since Jan 2004
27004 posts
Posted on 12/25/14 at 2:29 pm
Is there anything on the market that sounds as good as a CD? A docking station or appleTV? What I currently have is poor. There is an audible hum when receiver is turned to "60". Scale is 1-100. If I play a CD at that same volume it is crystal clear but nearing obnoxious levels of volume.

I want a means to hear (for example) John Bonhams kick drum pedal "squeak" on iTunes through my home stereo speakers like I can through my boxed set CD's?

Thanks in advance.
Posted by Spock's Eyebrow
Member since May 2012
12300 posts
Posted on 12/25/14 at 2:45 pm to
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There is an audible hum when receiver is turned to "60".


Ground loop, maybe? The vast majority of people can't distinguish 192 Kbps MP3 from CD quality using killer samples played through reference equipment under ideal conditions in dedicated listening rooms. For trained listeners, the threshold is 256 Kbps. These values are even lower for AAC, which is better than MP3. IOW, it should be possible.
Posted by Brosef Stalin
Member since Dec 2011
39210 posts
Posted on 12/25/14 at 4:36 pm to
Download your files in FLAC format. Its the highest quality but also takes up a lot more memory than 320kpbs. Don't waste your time with anything below 320.
Posted by LSU alum wannabe
Katy, TX
Member since Jan 2004
27004 posts
Posted on 12/25/14 at 7:52 pm to
My devices are all apple. So to make it as seamless as possible everything is either iTunes or CDs to a laptop (PC, not Mac) which has iTunes to transfer the music.

Do not know the standard Kbps those are or how to upgrade them. I understand it will eat up space on my device.
Posted by Sayre
Felixville
Member since Nov 2011
5508 posts
Posted on 12/25/14 at 8:00 pm to
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Download your files in FLAC format. Its the highest quality but also takes up a lot more memory than 320kpbs. Don't waste your time with anything below 320.


This is what I was going to suggest. Full Lossless Audio Codec files take the song and rip it from the CD with no compression. They are fricking huge files.

I rip all my stuff in both FLAC and 320 kbps MP3s. I really can't tell the difference in most instances, and the MP3s are a lot smaller file than the FLAC. A real freaked out audiophile with the ne plus ultra D/A converter might tell the difference better than I, but I'm kinda picky and find 320 MP3s to be just fine in most instances. And as Brosef said, don't bother with any MP3s less than 320. Storage is so plentiful and cheap today it makes no sense to do so.
This post was edited on 12/25/14 at 8:02 pm
Posted by Brosef Stalin
Member since Dec 2011
39210 posts
Posted on 12/25/14 at 8:13 pm to
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I rip all my stuff in both FLAC and 320 kbps MP3s. I really can't tell the difference in most instances,

From what I understand, you need a real high quality stereo and speakers to notice the difference. Its mainly for serious audiophiles. I listen to music on my computer and in my car so 320kbps is fine for me.
Posted by Spock's Eyebrow
Member since May 2012
12300 posts
Posted on 12/25/14 at 9:34 pm to
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Full Lossless Audio Codec files take the song and rip it from the CD with no compression.


FLAC is compressed and can cut file size in half. It is, however, lossless, hence the name.

As for 320 Kbps being the minimum recommended, it is a fact that many people vastly overestimate their ability to distinguish lossy from lossless audio and are surprised when they can't tell them apart under proper ABX testing. You might find this slideshow interesting (the paper it is derived from is not free, alas); it was the basis for my earlier post:

LINK

quote:

I rip all my stuff in both FLAC and 320 kbps MP3s.


As for ripping, only rip to a lossless format such as FLAC or ALAC, and use a program that does AccurateRip to make sure you get a perfect copy. This is like having the original CD. You can then convert to lossy formats on as needed basis, and you won't have any transcoding artifacts as you might when converting 320 Kbps MP3 to another lossy format. iTunes can convert higher bit rate files to various AAC bit depths when syncing to devices, so as an Apple user, the OP should rip to ALAC and have iTunes convert to 256 or even 128 Kbps AAC when syncing to get the most out of the memory on his devices.

Those with the golden ears who have never ABX'd should try it in foobar2000. Take some lossless music you know well and convert to a variety of bit rates in MP3 and AAC, e.g. 320, 256, 192, 128, etc. Then use the ABX comparator addon to compare the lossless original to each lossy copy, the idea being to find the lowest bit rate that is transparent. This will be your future default for lossy conversions. Make sure you do the conversion yourself. If you take files from different sources, you might be comparing different masterings, which would be totally invalid, and it's probably responsible for some of the instances where people concluded MP3s sound like shite compared to the CD.
Posted by Spock's Eyebrow
Member since May 2012
12300 posts
Posted on 12/25/14 at 9:39 pm to
What equipment do you have, and how are you connecting it? There should be no hum, and iTunes should sound like any other source if you have a digital connection from computer to receiver or DAC. Analog output from a laptop might not be as good for a number of reasons.
Posted by moon
Member since Dec 2010
2470 posts
Posted on 12/27/14 at 11:00 am to
You need MIYO:

LINK

2 of my former co-workers started this project.
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