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re: Satanic Temple puts up display at Michigan Capital
Posted on 12/22/14 at 9:43 am to imjustafatkid
Posted on 12/22/14 at 9:43 am to imjustafatkid
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I've never heard of the serpent being anything other than Satan. I'm sure most others hsvent either. It's obvious what they weregoing for.
Serpent and sometimes he is referred to as a dragon. Since the serpent in the garden had arms and legs originally, it probably was closer to a dragon?
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Posted on 12/22/14 at 9:43 am to NC_Tigah
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Of course it is.
Agnosticism is not a faith.
Atheism = a- + theism, literally meaning "without theism" or "without belief in one or more deities"
Agnosticism = a- + gnosis, literally meaning "without knowledge"; refers to the philosophical position that a certain thing cannot be known with certainty
It is possible for a Christian to consider himself agnostic--such a person would say that he believes in Christ based on faith, not any tangible evidence or proof. This is a very common position considering the importance of the role of faith in Christianity.
Likewise, an atheist can be agnostic. I consider myself an agnostic atheist. I don't believe it's possible to know for certain whether there is or is not a god or gods, and I believe that in the absence of any good reason to believe in a deity, the logical position to take is one of atheism. Since there's no evidence of a god, I don't believe in a god. I do acknowledge that a god could exist, however. Maybe one day I'll have some good reason to believe in one.
edit: People who claim to be gnostics are pretty uncommon. They think that you can actually know for certain that there is or isn't a god. I have never encountered one who was very convincing.
This post was edited on 12/22/14 at 9:45 am
Posted on 12/22/14 at 9:43 am to monsterballads
atheistis faith is based in their confidence in their supreme ability to conclude answers
it's very egotistical and self-centered, but it's still a form of faith
it's very egotistical and self-centered, but it's still a form of faith
Posted on 12/22/14 at 9:44 am to monsterballads
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no one has the balls to do it
it's b/c of the predominance of christianity. they flat refuse to cater to outside belief and call it a "war on christianity" if you give an inch
note: this is mainly protestant radicals, who still populate a very scary % of our current society
Posted on 12/22/14 at 9:45 am to SlowFlowPro
quote:I disagree with this entire post; see my above post for why.
atheistis faith is based in their confidence in their supreme ability to conclude answers
it's very egotistical and self-centered, but it's still a form of faith
Posted on 12/22/14 at 9:46 am to monsterballads
quote:I'm 100% okay with that.
I just wish someone would put their foot down and say NO. you're not putting religious shite in our courthouses or government buildings.
nothing! no crosses, so flying spaghetti monsters, no muslim shite, no satanic bullshite. nothing!
but they don't, and this is what we're now dealing with.
Posted on 12/22/14 at 9:47 am to SlowFlowPro
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it's possible. the original bible had a serpent in the Adam/Eve sotry and it didn't represent Satan. that's likely the symbolic representation (misunderstanding of the original biblical texts by revisionist Christians, hence the "knowledge" statement)
The only "revision" here is the notion that the serpent in the Garden of Eden was ever anyone other than Satan.
Posted on 12/22/14 at 9:47 am to NC_Tigah
quote:That doesn't explain my beliefs.
Infinite existence of the inanimate.
Posted on 12/22/14 at 9:48 am to monsterballads
quote:Incorrect. It's "without belief in god", not "without belief". There's a huge difference in meaning.
no, really. atheists don't believe in anything. literally "without belief"
This post was edited on 12/22/14 at 9:49 am
Posted on 12/22/14 at 9:49 am to monsterballads
But at its fundamental base, what is religion? It's an ethos with mystalogical accoutrements. The rule of law is founded on an ethos. Our American rule of law is founded on western ethos which is enterwined with the judeo-christian ethos.
I am sympathetic to those who want no religious symbols in the public square, because to allow it means that some groups will be favored over others. And that's an important issue. But when you start stripping down our institutions of government of the symbols that embue it with authority, you are left with fundamental questions about our identity. The fact of the matter, whether anti-theists like it or not, we are in fact founded on christian principles.
I am sympathetic to those who want no religious symbols in the public square, because to allow it means that some groups will be favored over others. And that's an important issue. But when you start stripping down our institutions of government of the symbols that embue it with authority, you are left with fundamental questions about our identity. The fact of the matter, whether anti-theists like it or not, we are in fact founded on christian principles.
Posted on 12/22/14 at 9:51 am to Darth_Vader
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The only "revision" here is the notion that the serpent in the Garden of Eden was ever anyone other than Satan.
jewish scholarship disagrees with you. they were there first and they are the ones responsible for writing the passages
"Satan" as a concept is relatively new in thew hole Abrahamic religions. Hell, too
Posted on 12/22/14 at 9:52 am to SlowFlowPro
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wut?
What? No, I'm talking about the fact that evangelical atheists and members of the Satanic church are fricking dorks.
Posted on 12/22/14 at 9:57 am to SlowFlowPro
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jewish scholarship disagrees with you. they were there first and they are the ones responsible for writing the passages
"Satan" as a concept is relatively new in thew hole Abrahamic religions. Hell, too
A rose by any other name...
Posted on 12/22/14 at 9:58 am to monsterballads
quote:no, really. Atheists believe there is no God. That's it. That is the limit of the inference. That is solely what the term atheist references.
no, really. atheists don't believe in anything. literally "without belief"
Most atheists would be justifiably offended by an assertion they are "without belief" otherwise. Philosophy obviously involves belief. Atheists tend to be philosophical.
This post was edited on 12/22/14 at 9:59 am
Posted on 12/22/14 at 10:01 am to The Spleen
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Do you think churches and religious groups are attention whores when they display nativity scenes?
Don't be obtuse.
Posted on 12/22/14 at 10:02 am to Hog on the Hill
quote:Your what?
That doesn't explain my beliefs.
. . . I rest my case.
Posted on 12/22/14 at 10:04 am to tigerfootball10
quote:When your neighbor uses his belief in Santa as justification for hating you, unnecessary war, blue laws, drug laws, banning others from getting married, denying vaccines to children, impeding scientific research, banning euthanasia, and posting "Rudolph the Red-Nosed Reindeer" at every government building and sporting event in the country, get back to me. You may be inclined to put up one of these as a fun jab.
This is what I don't understand about atheist. If you believe in nothing then why are you bothered with others religious rituals? I don't believe in Santa Clause but you don't see me ripping down my neighbors Xmas lights.
Posted on 12/22/14 at 10:08 am to Blue Velvet
quote:Pertinence of that terribly butthurt hypothetical to the topic at hand?
When your neighbor uses his belief in Santa as justification for hating you, unnecessary war, blue laws, drug laws, banning others from getting married, denying vaccines to children, impeding scientific research, banning euthanasia, and posting "Rudolph the Red-Nosed Reindeer" at every government building and sporting event in the country, get back to me. You may be inclined to put up one of these as a fun jab.
Posted on 12/22/14 at 10:09 am to Blue Velvet
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When your neighbor uses his belief in Santa as justification for hating you, unnecessary war, blue laws, drug laws, banning others from getting married, denying vaccines to children, impeding scientific research, banning euthanasia, and posting "Rudolph the Red-Nosed Reindeer" at every government building and sporting event in the country, get back to me. You may be inclined to put up one of these as a fun jab.
Most of this is drawing to a close.
Meanwhile, Atheists are trying to ensure we're not corrupted by decades old war memorials nobody notices that happen to use a cross.
Posted on 12/22/14 at 10:12 am to NC_Tigah
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Atheists believe there is no God.
it's splitting hairs, but that's not honest.
atheists reject belief. it's not like they actively believe in not believing. that's a completely silly thing to think.
do you actively believe in not believing in the flying spaghetti monster? of course not.
This post was edited on 12/22/14 at 10:12 am
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