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re: White people feeling the pangs of change
Posted on 12/21/14 at 10:53 am to Revelator
Posted on 12/21/14 at 10:53 am to Revelator
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A family can be both working class and middle class at the same time.
That's the problem with this board.
Working class people imagine they share values with middle class ideas when that isn't the case. If you worry about your bills, aren't middle class.
There is a huge difference in values when you can buy your house in cash and can pick your jobs as you like and having to work for a living.
This post was edited on 12/21/14 at 10:55 am
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Posted on 12/21/14 at 10:56 am to Revelator
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A family can be both working class and middle class at the same time.
I'm afraid that train has left the station.
Posted on 12/21/14 at 10:58 am to mahdragonz
quote:WTF are you trying to say?
Working class people imagine they share values with middle class ideas when that isn't the case. If you worry about your bills, aren't middle class. There is a huge difference in values when you can buy your house in cash and can pick your jobs as you like and having to work for a living.
It appears you seem to think the middle class can write a check for their houses.
Posted on 12/21/14 at 10:59 am to Revelator
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How many decades must the past be used as an excuse before it can be discarded, or is it indefinite?
Ask any liberal this question and the best answer you'll get is, "Well, it isn't right now, for sure."
Or ask them how much money it's going to take to "make things right".
The answer will range from "I don't know, but it's going to take a lot more" to "there will never be enough money to repay blah, blah, blah..."
In other words, this sh*t ain't gonna end.
LC
Posted on 12/21/14 at 11:03 am to Revelator
quote:First of all, it's not like this happened a long time ago. Black people in their 60s and 70s lived in a time where they had different water fountains from white people. And their kids are in their 40s and 50s today. So black people today are not at all far removed from blatant injustices.
How many decades must the past be used as an excuse before it can be discarded, or is it indefinite?
Secondly, it's not an "excuse". It's the reason things are how they are.
And it's not going to change on it's own. Something has to force a dramatic change. Come up with some solutions instead of just blaming them for the problems as if it's a kids fault he didn't grow up as a success when he lived in the projects with no father, people selling drugs around him and nobody who cares.
Posted on 12/21/14 at 11:04 am to Jbird
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It appears you seem to think the middle class can write a check for their houses.
That is exactly what I am trying to say.
If you have to work for your life, you are working class.
If you have the luxury of mind and extra income, you are middle class.
If you have houses and help and don't have to worry about cash flow you are moving towards wealthy. People are acting like race is a huge deal but as others have said, it's all about the green.
Posted on 12/21/14 at 11:05 am to mahdragonz
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If you worry about your bills, aren't middle class.
That makes no sense.
Posted on 12/21/14 at 11:06 am to RogerTheShrubber
Then I take it you aren't middle class.
Posted on 12/21/14 at 11:09 am to mahdragonz
How much income is the starting poing for middle class in your world?
Posted on 12/21/14 at 11:09 am to mahdragonz
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Then I take it you aren't middle class.
Take that shite to the OT where it belongs.
Posted on 12/21/14 at 11:11 am to PrimeTime Money
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Look, to completely ignore history as if it has no bearing on today's society is not right.
So PT...you really think that common folk pick up a history book, when making everyday decisions?
Hell, I'd be willing to bet that 99% of the individuals that are causing the real problems in today's society...have never seriously cracked a history book. 
True story...two days old. I was standing in a WalMart line...little gal ahead of me was showing pregnancy...clerk made lighthearted comment..."ohhh...that's a money baby, girl". Our current societal woes have nothing to do with history, buddy. Like Rush always says..."just follow the money". It's as simple as that.
Now if one wants to argue the problematic aspects of global trade, emerging (competitive) Third World Nations and high-tech as such relates to what is an existential threat to the stability and even morality, of the old distribution of wealth paradigm...I'm in. It's real...and it WILL change. Or we'll implode.
But to assume that society's racial ills, re the current Political/Ideological/MSM meme of minority historical slave grievance is legit...is ludicrous. It's pure old Alinsky strategy, class warfare politics. And it is seriously unhealthy...and harmful.
Follow the money. Even water takes the easiest way.
Posted on 12/21/14 at 11:12 am to Jbird
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How much income is the starting poing for middle class in your world?
He's still asking girls to proms, he doesn't have a clue.
Posted on 12/21/14 at 11:12 am to StrongSafety
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All yore insinuating is that you think blaxks are inferior. Why don't you just state that?
No I posed a simple question, which you failed to answer.
Posted on 12/21/14 at 11:14 am to mahdragonz
quote:Virtually everyone on this board is "working" class. Granted, some are students, but they work too.
Most of this board is working class. Not middle class
As is the case with the American demographic, most here probably also financially fall into some echelon of middle class.
Posted on 12/21/14 at 11:16 am to Jbird
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How much income is the starting poing for middle class in your world?
I'm not sure there's a definitive starting point but Middle Class should be able to afford housing, food, transportation and under normal circumstances make ends meet without public assistance. Life don't work that way however.
Median household income in the US is about $52k
This post was edited on 12/21/14 at 11:17 am
Posted on 12/21/14 at 11:17 am to RCDfan1950
quote:Of course not. Individuals act the way they do because of how they were conditioned.
So PT...you really think that common folk pick up a history book, when making everyday decisions? Hell, I'd be willing to bet that 99% of the individuals that are causing the real problems in today's society...have never seriously cracked a history book.
Posted on 12/21/14 at 11:18 am to StrongSafety
The debt of slavery was paid off in the blood of 620,000 white men in the 1860s.
It's time to move on.
It's time to move on.
Posted on 12/21/14 at 11:18 am to RogerTheShrubber
My wife grew up in an exceptionally privileged world, so it's changed my view of class and race.
If you have to work to pay bills, you are working class. If you never have to worry about paying your bills, have drivers, help,
and multiple houses you are drifting towards wealthy. If you can satisfy your needs like housing and kids education and extended (multi month) vacations, you are middle class.
To me, middle class is not a price point, but an existence.
So wealthy is the top .5%, middle class is like the .5-2 or 3% and the working class and poor is essentially the rest.
I think many people view middle class like a bell curve with a middle distribution. To me, middle is between working and wealthy. So working whites and working blacks are very much alike and don't differ that much.
If you have to work to pay bills, you are working class. If you never have to worry about paying your bills, have drivers, help,
and multiple houses you are drifting towards wealthy. If you can satisfy your needs like housing and kids education and extended (multi month) vacations, you are middle class.
To me, middle class is not a price point, but an existence.
So wealthy is the top .5%, middle class is like the .5-2 or 3% and the working class and poor is essentially the rest.
I think many people view middle class like a bell curve with a middle distribution. To me, middle is between working and wealthy. So working whites and working blacks are very much alike and don't differ that much.
Posted on 12/21/14 at 11:19 am to mahdragonz
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Most of this board is working class. Not middle class
What an odd thing to say. Those two terms are not mutually exclusive. A 'worker' can make 2 million a year. He is not middle class.
Posted on 12/21/14 at 11:20 am to PrimeTime Money
Stupid double post.
This post was edited on 12/21/14 at 11:29 am
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