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re: Cuba embargo to be lifted
Posted on 12/17/14 at 11:00 pm to DrunkerThanThou
Posted on 12/17/14 at 11:00 pm to DrunkerThanThou
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My family wants our land back. The communist owe us aprox. $80 million and we have the deeds to prove it.
The ulterior motive behind this move is the hope that one day, a more just, open and prosperous Cuba would have the resources to pay some of that back to you.
Keeping Cuba dirt poor is a guarantee that your family will never see a dime.
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Posted on 12/17/14 at 11:17 pm to Champagne
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As I stated in my previous post, there should be some conditions attached to the embargo lifting -- namely, no more military assistance to North Korea and no Russian military or intelligence-gathering bases in Cuba.
We can make it clear that the USA will no longer engage in any covert or overt operations designed to overthrow the Castro Regime. In return, Cuba stops acting like an enemy of the USA. After those terms are met and demonstrated, Congress lifts the embargo.
Honestly, I wouldn't have a problem with this. These seem like reasonable terms.
Posted on 12/17/14 at 11:54 pm to KeyserSoze999
great move by Obama. That is some low arse hanging fruit that needed to be plucked decades ago.
History will remember this well - what an easy decision. Anybody who has even the slightest faith in capitalism should have absolutely zero qualms about this.
History will remember this well - what an easy decision. Anybody who has even the slightest faith in capitalism should have absolutely zero qualms about this.
This post was edited on 12/17/14 at 11:55 pm
Posted on 12/18/14 at 5:48 am to OMLandshark
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Yeah, frick those Soviet a-holes! frick those Maoist dicks! We don't want anything to do with them! They can't do anything for us! They're our enemies!
All you do is make will accusations, questioning someone's intelligence or motives.
You're obviously incapable of rational debate.
Hope Santa's good to you.
Posted on 12/18/14 at 7:08 am to KeyserSoze999
Great news....but Americans are going to be shocked when they go looking for investment opportunities and find that the Canadians and Europeans have had that shite sewed up for years.
I also predict that in 10 years you won't be able to give away a Cuban cigar. Their only allure was their ban.....the. Cuban cigar industry has fallen WAAAAAYYYYYY behind the Honduran, Dominican, Nicaraguan and even the Mexican....and the US cigar is a superior product.
It will be interesting though to see the cars being bought and shipped back to the states....that is the bonanza that is going to happen.....very small potatoes but some will make a little money.
There is also a serious lack of sport fishing infrastructure in Cuba...it is there but begs development. That will be a pretty good opportunity also.
Cuba Looks like it would be a great retirement plan however....great health care and the dollar goes a long way.
I also predict that in 10 years you won't be able to give away a Cuban cigar. Their only allure was their ban.....the. Cuban cigar industry has fallen WAAAAAYYYYYY behind the Honduran, Dominican, Nicaraguan and even the Mexican....and the US cigar is a superior product.
It will be interesting though to see the cars being bought and shipped back to the states....that is the bonanza that is going to happen.....very small potatoes but some will make a little money.
There is also a serious lack of sport fishing infrastructure in Cuba...it is there but begs development. That will be a pretty good opportunity also.
Cuba Looks like it would be a great retirement plan however....great health care and the dollar goes a long way.
Posted on 12/18/14 at 7:15 am to germandawg
I have yet to hear one rational argument against this. Way passed due. Hell, Clinton normalised relations with Vietnam years ago.......
Posted on 12/18/14 at 7:28 am to SirWinston
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great move by Obama. That is some low arse hanging fruit that needed to be plucked decades ago.
History will remember this well - what an easy decision. Anybody who has even the slightest faith in capitalism should have absolutely zero qualms about this.
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Posted on 12/18/14 at 7:41 am to tiderider
Cuba can now perhaps have a better chance to rebuild its infrastructure in a more economically sound manner with better control over its own destiny, especially if it has better alternatives to the IMF and World Bank.
This post was edited on 12/18/14 at 7:54 am
Posted on 12/18/14 at 7:52 am to Porky
When do the cruise ships start visiting?
Posted on 12/18/14 at 7:55 am to fatboydave
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When do the cruise ships start visiting?
I don't know but I'm thinking Cuba would be a nice place to visit.
This post was edited on 12/18/14 at 8:00 am
Posted on 12/18/14 at 8:00 am to Porky
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I'm thinking Cuba would be a nice place to visit.
It's a worker's paradise with a world class healthcare system.
Posted on 12/18/14 at 8:10 am to Ace Midnight
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It's a worker's paradise with a world class healthcare system.
I don't know about all that.
Posted on 12/18/14 at 8:16 am to OMLandshark
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As I stated in my previous post, there should be some conditions attached to the embargo lifting -- namely, no more military assistance to North Korea and no Russian military or intelligence-gathering bases in Cuba.
I think Cuba is making a calculated move to be on the right side of the next cold war, honestly.
Posted on 12/18/14 at 8:18 am to KeyserSoze999
cant wait to go on vacation there
This post was edited on 12/18/14 at 8:19 am
Posted on 12/18/14 at 8:22 am to conservativewifeymom
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I do a lot of reading. And I still have family in Eastern Europe. Where nothing has really changed! Not for the average Joe. Those are my real sources!
Tourism is booming in eastern europe
what are you talking about.
Posted on 12/18/14 at 8:25 am to conservativewifeymom
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Like we need more tropical beaches and such.... Give it a few years, the novelty will wear off, and it will be back to poverty....
Hasn't worn off for Europeans and Canadians over the years.
Posted on 12/18/14 at 8:39 am to StraightCashHomey21
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Hasn't worn off for Europeans and Canadians over the years.
Here's my problem - if Puerto Rico hasn't exploded as a tourist destination, and they're actually part of the U.S., why do we romanticize about a Cuba that hasn't existed in over 50 years - the tourist Cuba that was created by the U.S. mafia.
Here's my prediction - this is going to end badly when more people realize how fricked up Cuba is and it is the Castros' fault that it is so fricked up.
Yet they will blame us for it.
Posted on 12/18/14 at 8:43 am to Ace Midnight
Man did Fidel casbro piss in your Cheerios or something?
Posted on 12/18/14 at 8:43 am to Ace Midnight
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Here's my problem - if Puerto Rico hasn't exploded as a tourist destination, and they're actually part of the U.S., why do we romanticize about a Cuba that hasn't existed in over 50 years - the tourist Cuba that was created by the U.S. mafia.
What are you talking about? Plenty of people, particularly from the Northeast go and vacation in Puerto Rico. I've gone and vacationed in Puerto Rico this year.
Posted on 12/18/14 at 9:06 am to OMLandshark
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Plenty of people, particularly from the Northeast go and vacation in Puerto Rico. I've gone and vacationed in Puerto Rico this year.
Meh - PR draws about 4 million, give or take. Dominican Republic gets almost 5 million. Just Miami Beach in Florida draws 14 million and change. Cuba is sitting under 3 million, right now.
So, I predict it will surge by 2 million or so for a couple of years (newness) - people will invest a little money (if Cuba even allows it) and then people will realize it is a shitty Stalinist run country stuck in 1958 (and not in a good way), and go back to their nicer Caribbean locations.
There is a reason why people go to DR (and they are kicking arse in tourism, right now) and not Haiti - I mean it is the same island, after all. The main difference is that DR has a stable government and political system, and makes efforts to provide a safe and enticing tourist destination. Haiti is a corrupt, dangerous, 3rd world shithole and, apparently, they like it that way.
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