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Police brutality before the age of the internet/social media
Posted on 12/16/14 at 11:00 am
Posted on 12/16/14 at 11:00 am
How much more out of control were cops in the 70s, 80s and 90s? I imagine back then cops with DUIs would just get a ride home, they could beat up a suspect and just say he "slipped getting into a car" and if you ran you might get a bullet in your arse.
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Posted on 12/16/14 at 11:01 am to RedRifle
quote:TBH this still sounds like now to me.
I imagine back then cops with DUIs would just get a ride home, they could beat up a suspect and just say he "slipped getting into a car" and if you ran you might get a bullet in your arse.
Posted on 12/16/14 at 11:07 am to RedRifle
Not brutality, but I had a buddy get out of a dui in Landmass by offering to build the arresting officer a cajun microwave. The cop aborted his trip to jail, turned the car around, and took my buddy back to his car. After making it about 5 miles back toward the camp, buddy sees blue lights fly up behind him and finds the same brotha pulling him over again. He rolls his window down when the cop walks up to the car and heard him say "let me get a couple dem beeas. I'm about off and the stoe done closed". So he gives him a few budlights and eases on to the camp. Doubt you could get away with that today. Good times...
This post was edited on 12/16/14 at 11:08 am
Posted on 12/16/14 at 11:08 am to RedRifle
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they could beat up a suspect and just say he "slipped getting into a car"
Nothing's actually changed.
Posted on 12/16/14 at 11:34 am to Boomtown
Yeah okay
Posted on 12/16/14 at 11:38 am to RedRifle
You were more likely to get a beating, but generally you would not get beaten and jailed. It was more of an and/or situation.
On the plus side, they didn't arrest everybody for everything. An arrest was a big deal. I had a few friends get caught with weed where the cops emptied the bag onto the ground (to show they weren't stealing it) rather than arresting them. People weren't arrested for no d.l., expired d.l., etc.
On the plus side, they didn't arrest everybody for everything. An arrest was a big deal. I had a few friends get caught with weed where the cops emptied the bag onto the ground (to show they weren't stealing it) rather than arresting them. People weren't arrested for no d.l., expired d.l., etc.
Posted on 12/16/14 at 11:44 am to chinhoyang
People respected the police back then. Shame what this place has come to where we think the police are out to kill us and our dogs.
Posted on 12/16/14 at 11:49 am to Broke
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People respected the police back then. Shame what this place has come to where we think the police are out to kill us and our dogs.
They're mainly after the dogs. Occasionally a human gets in the line of fire, but they shouldn't be diving in front of a dog.
Posted on 12/16/14 at 11:52 am to RedRifle
I got into this line of work right around the time that in-car cameras were becoming standard (circa 2003) so I don't have first hand knowledge of how it was. But with that said, I still can't believe some of the stories I have heard from guys that worked the streets/dope during the late 80's early 90's.
The lack of supervison and checks and balances back then was mind blowing, considering the potential liability we now know exists.
The lack of supervison and checks and balances back then was mind blowing, considering the potential liability we now know exists.
Posted on 12/16/14 at 12:07 pm to The People
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I still can't believe some of the stories I have heard from guys that worked the streets/dope during the late 80's early 90's.
Tell us more!
Posted on 12/16/14 at 12:08 pm to Broke
One big difference is that a police officer would rarely draw his gun. Now, they draw their guns all the time. In L.A. in the late 60's, they would have to file a report if they drew their weapon.
The other issue is the tactic of taking suspects to the ground. It looks bad to the public, especially when the offense is minor.
The other issue is the tactic of taking suspects to the ground. It looks bad to the public, especially when the offense is minor.
Posted on 12/16/14 at 12:11 pm to Broke
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Shame what this place has come to where we think the police are out to kill us and our dogs.
well the police aren't doing much to calm the fears, now are they?
Posted on 12/16/14 at 12:16 pm to chinhoyang
Police back in the 70s were really under attack and the crime was pretty much out of control. Cocaine was a big thing and a lot of officers didn't make much leading to a lot of corruption. When I first started back in the early 90s a lot of the old timers I met could barely read or write. I got the chance to read some old reports from the 60s and it was shocking how bad they were. A lot of departments have improved by leaps and bounds since those days. The corruption is no where near as bad as old days. The younger guys are much better educated and they are much better with all the new technology that officers are using today.
We still have a ton of inferior departments putting terrible officers on the streets and you also see a bad cops in some of the bigger departments, but it is not as bad as it used to be. We know about it more now because of social media. The bad departments/officers are certainly more apt to be found out now because of social media.
Getting out of a DUI is almost impossible now also.
We still have a ton of inferior departments putting terrible officers on the streets and you also see a bad cops in some of the bigger departments, but it is not as bad as it used to be. We know about it more now because of social media. The bad departments/officers are certainly more apt to be found out now because of social media.
Getting out of a DUI is almost impossible now also.
This post was edited on 12/16/14 at 12:17 pm
Posted on 12/16/14 at 12:28 pm to RedRifle
This one is kinda lame, but it made me laugh about the lack of accountability.
One old timer told me about a game they use to play on duty when they were bored. They would see who could travel the furthest in their unit during their shift. Said it wasnt uncommon to make to Houston, buy a newspaper, and head back running lights and siren doing 100mph on I-10.
ETA: Same old timer said they used to rabbit hunt at night on duty with their department issued shotguns off Lee Drive.
One old timer told me about a game they use to play on duty when they were bored. They would see who could travel the furthest in their unit during their shift. Said it wasnt uncommon to make to Houston, buy a newspaper, and head back running lights and siren doing 100mph on I-10.
ETA: Same old timer said they used to rabbit hunt at night on duty with their department issued shotguns off Lee Drive.
This post was edited on 12/16/14 at 12:30 pm
Posted on 12/16/14 at 12:37 pm to Broke
Police were worth respecting back then. They weren't para-military groups back then.
Posted on 12/16/14 at 12:39 pm to Amazing Moves
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Police were worth respecting back then
Actually they weren't
Posted on 12/16/14 at 12:41 pm to RedRifle
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How much more out of control were cops in the 70s, 80s and 90s? I
I don't think Cops are out of control!! A few incidents some of them justified does not constitute out of control.
Do you have any idea how many law enforcement officers are employed across the country and how many arrests were made last year. Not all arrest end with a shooting. FYI
Posted on 12/16/14 at 12:51 pm to RedRifle
Dan Carlin said on his Common Sense podcast a few months ago that when he worked for the local news in Los Angeles they would get several calls a week from people giving them a police brutality story, but none had indisputable evidence. Until Rodney King.
Posted on 12/16/14 at 12:51 pm to GeauxWest
I graduated high school in 81. Cops would let you slide on all kinds of stuff. Underage beer you just poured it out. Drunk driving they would get your friend to drive or tell you to park it and walk to a pay phone. Talk shite to them or be a smart arse was just asking to go jail or get flashlight up side the head if you resisted
MADD in the 80s brought about changes in the drinking and driving and lawyers took care of the rest. The local gov't also didn't view fines as a source to finance operations and were viewed as a way to punish the offender.
MADD in the 80s brought about changes in the drinking and driving and lawyers took care of the rest. The local gov't also didn't view fines as a source to finance operations and were viewed as a way to punish the offender.
This post was edited on 12/16/14 at 12:54 pm
Posted on 12/16/14 at 1:02 pm to sjmabry
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sjmabry
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Yeah okay
Louisiana: Handcuffed Black Youth Shot Himself to Death, Says Coroner
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In a press release issued March 3, the day he died, the Louisiana State Police said Victor White III apparently shot himself in an Iberia Parish police car. According to the police statement, White had his hands cuffed behind his back when he shot himself in the back.
But according to the full final report of the Iberia Parish coroner, which was released nearly six months later and obtained exclusively by NBC News, White was shot in the front, not the back. The bullet entered his right chest and exited under his left armpit. White was left-handed, according to family members. According to the report, the forensic pathologist found gunshot residue in the wound, but not the sort of stippling that a close-range shot can sometimes produce. He also found abrasions on White’s face.
And yet, despite the contradictions – and even though White’s hands were never tested for gunpowder residue – the Iberia Parish coroner still supported the central contention of the initial police statement issued back in March. Dr. Carl Ditch ruled that White shot himself, and declared his death a suicide.
North Carolina: Handcuffed teen ‘shot himself’ in back of cop car
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A teenage suspect who died in North Carolina while he was handcuffed in the back of a police car shot himself in the head with a gun he hid from an officer, according to a police report released on Friday...
The preliminary results of the Durham Police Department’s internal investigation indicate that an officer who arrested and searched Huerta failed to find a gun he had hidden on him.
Arkansas: Police Say Handcuffed Man in Back of Cop Car Shot Himself in the Head; Mother Says 'They Killed Him'
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21-year-old Chavis Chacobie Carter of Southaven, Mississippi, was riding inside a pickup truck that was pulled over last Saturday night. Officer Ron Marsh reportedly questioned and searched Carter, finding "some marijuana" on his person.
Running his name by dispatch Marsh discovered that Carter was wanted in Mississippi for missing a court date related to previous drug charge. Marsh subsequently handcuffed Carter, searched him again, and then put him in the back of the patrol car.
"As protocol he was handcuffed behind his back and double locked, and searched," said Sergeant Lyle Waterworth.
This post was edited on 12/16/14 at 1:03 pm
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