re: Les Miles vs Tommy Tuberville (an SEC Tale)

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Can you stop with excluding things? You don't get to do that just when it suits you.

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So looking at SEC records and what teams are working with (USCe is nowhere near as set up as LSU, UF, BAMA, Auburn or UGA) is excluding?

Stop getting so touchy about looking at things that aren't level and trying to put some perspective on each situation.

Stop wasting your time. He's bending this any way he can and still coming up short.

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More minimizing. Do you know how to turn it off? Seems like you don't.

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How is it minimizing?

Meyer in 6 years at UF. 2 NCs, 2 SEC Titles, 3 SEC CG, 3- 13 win seasons.

Saban in 8 years at Bama, 3 NCs (in playoff for 4th), 3 SEC Titles, 1-14 win season, 1-13 win season, 3-12 win seasons.

Miles in 10 years at LSU, 1 NC, 2 SEC Titles, 1-13 win season, 1 12- win season.

So in the last 10 years, he's at best 3rd in the conference, and both ahead of him have done more in less time. That should tell you something.

Also, NCs are about as much luck as anything else. Miles gets in with 2 losses in 2007 to win his. If Pitt doesn't upset WVU, Les has 0.

Georgia gets screwed because tOSU and Miami in 2002.

Auburn gets screwed in 2004 because of OU/USC.

Again, those are things out of their control, but in their control is SEC games.

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How is it minimizing?

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You said the greatest run in our school's history isn't that unprecedented. Do I really need to explain further?

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Also, NCs are about as much luck as anything else. Miles gets in with 2 losses in 2007 to win his. If Pitt doesn't upset WVU, Les has 0.

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Les could easily have two more if you want to play the what if game. I suggest not doing that.

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I stated from the beginning this was looking solely at SEC competition and that Les' OOC record isn't comparable as he's done extremely well there.

Why is it so hard for some of you to just look at this comparison for what it is?

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I read your initial post and understand the comparison, but it is flawed. You don't paint the entire picture when comparing the two coaches.

You also state:

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I think the best way to evaluate a coach is by looking at their SEC records rather than overall since this is considered a top tier conference and tough game in and game out season.

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I am pointing out that I disagree with this, because you are ignoring the fact that one coach has a flawless non-conference regular season record and the other coach has some major blemishes.

I could say something like:
Nick Saban is 0-1 against Utah
Paul Johnson is 0-1 against Utah

Sure that is true, but it doesn't really do a good job of giving an entire picture of their coaching accomplishments/ability. This is obviously an extreme example, but your comparison doesn't give the entire picture either.

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but overall record is a bit misleading

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only to those that choose to ignore it.

how many OOC losses did Tuberville have?

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Also, NCs are about as much luck as anything else. Miles gets in with 2 losses in 2007 to win his. If Pitt doesn't upset WVU, Les has 0. LSU needed about 8 teams to lose in the final couple of weeks in '03 to get in. if that doesn't happen the Saban would've had 0.

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Exactly. This is the case for any team that gets in without being undefeated.

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Exactly. This is the case for any team that gets in without being undefeated.

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Which is why NC's while an important achievement are largely because of luck.

There is a difference between your team losing a game to get knocked out like in the SEC and not getting to Atlanta versus needing another team to lose.

Auburn goes undefeated but gets shut out due to two other teams starting #1 and #2. Georgia gets shut out because 2 other teams went 13-0 and 12-0. If tOSU doesn't survive even one of their bunch of close calls, UGA gets a shot to win an NC in 2002.

What is out of the hands of teams outside of your schedule is conference games. Thus, I looked only at that.

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T Tubberville overall did More with Less and Les did Less with More.

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Saying stupid catchphrase type stuff like this pretty much removes any credibility you may have had.

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And if Saban hadn't recruited Matt Flynn there would have been no 07 NC cause we've seen Miles's recruitment and development when it comes to QB the most important position on the field/03 and 07 was Saban and Jimbo's QBs that did the job

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Perrilloux did just fine coming into the SEC championship. With our defense that year, we likely would have been just fine.

Regardless, nothing like giving a coach 2 years removed from the program more credit than the coach that actually coached them to the championship.

The guy keeps arguing in circles. It's like after you destroy his argument he moves the goal posts immediately into another circular argument to discredit Les.