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Let's talk about the Hiroshima and Nagasaki bombings
Posted on 12/3/14 at 11:44 am
Posted on 12/3/14 at 11:44 am
So I know this is probably a topic more fitting for the poli board but I would rather hear from the OT on this. Just wondering what your opinions are on the morality of the bombings. I've done a good bit of reading on the topic, especially recently, and it's always been a troubling subject for me. But at the end of the day I always find myself leaning more towards the opposition. No matter how many estimated lives I hear we supposedly saved or claims that it was necessary to end the war, I just don't see how it is ever ok to do what we did to those citizens. If you haven't ever looked at the pictures or read about the decades of suffering by those in the area, I encourage you to take a look before making up your mind. Again, the supporters' claims are compelling and I understand the arrogance and barbarity of Japanese leaders at that time, but that's just my personal opinion. Please abstain from any racist comments or religious remarks. I'd like to see this thread play out.
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Posted on 12/3/14 at 11:46 am to truetigerfan1975
Know how I know you're a puss?
Posted on 12/3/14 at 11:47 am to truetigerfan1975
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Just wondering what your opinions are on the morality of the bombings.
Pretty much that it was a necessary evil at that point.
That's how I've always sort of felt about it.
Posted on 12/3/14 at 11:49 am to truetigerfan1975
It had to be done, the Japs would have gone on fighting forever and the Pacific campaign was taking its toll on our military.
Posted on 12/3/14 at 11:49 am to truetigerfan1975
The bombs saved Japanese and American lives. The targets were legitimate military targets. The Japanese government started the war, but the people blindly followed them. The loss of innocent life (particularly the children), and additional suffering by civilians (again, my concern is mainly with the children) is an unfortunate, but reasonable byproduct of an actual shooting war.
Japan is better off today because we dropped the bombs, and that is true for almost any point since, other than the short 24, 36 month window after the bombings themselves.
Sometimes a surgeon has to cut, to cure.
Japan is better off today because we dropped the bombs, and that is true for almost any point since, other than the short 24, 36 month window after the bombings themselves.
Sometimes a surgeon has to cut, to cure.
Posted on 12/3/14 at 11:50 am to truetigerfan1975
Japan was hell bent on fighting to the death and they absolutely wouldve done so
Once they realized we could wipe out 250K+ people with one bomb on one plane they knew the jig was up
Once they realized we could wipe out 250K+ people with one bomb on one plane they knew the jig was up
Posted on 12/3/14 at 11:51 am to truetigerfan1975
a lot of people like to say "the end doesn't justify the means" but unfortunately in some cases it does. personally i believe that the entire Japanese empire was committed to 'total war' and that we would have lost far, far more human lives by continuing the war to the bitter end. the suffering of the people at hiroshima and nagasaki is outweighed by the suffering that would have been inflicted on many, many more people had the war continued.
Posted on 12/3/14 at 11:52 am to truetigerfan1975
Posted on 12/3/14 at 11:52 am to truetigerfan1975
It ended the war... #WINNING
And probably saved lives in the end, definitely from our side but also theirs.
Added bonus of showing everyone else just what atomic bombs could do if they decided to frick with us.
And probably saved lives in the end, definitely from our side but also theirs.
Added bonus of showing everyone else just what atomic bombs could do if they decided to frick with us.
Posted on 12/3/14 at 11:52 am to MrPackSix
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Once they realized we could wipe out 250K+ people with one bomb on one plane they knew the jig was up
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Posted on 12/3/14 at 11:53 am to truetigerfan1975
1. The number of Japanese killed in both bombings was a drop in the bucket compared to how many would have died in and extended American invasion/blockade.
2. Add in on top of that the number of American lives saved by ending the war without an invasion.
If this is not enough to make you see the logic behind why the use of A-Bombs to end the war was the right choice then I can't help you.
2. Add in on top of that the number of American lives saved by ending the war without an invasion.
If this is not enough to make you see the logic behind why the use of A-Bombs to end the war was the right choice then I can't help you.
Posted on 12/3/14 at 11:53 am to truetigerfan1975
by using the bombs to end the war and seeing the effects we weren't playing a game of chicken with Russia in the cold war without knowing what would happen when they were dropped on a city.
If the US and Russia both had these bombs but didn't really understand the potential then one may have decided to launch more haphazardly and resulted in an all out nuclear situation.
If the US and Russia both had these bombs but didn't really understand the potential then one may have decided to launch more haphazardly and resulted in an all out nuclear situation.
Posted on 12/3/14 at 11:53 am to CocomoLSU
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Pretty much that it was a necessary evil at that point.
That's how I've always sort of felt about it.
Do people not realize that our adversaries were working on their own atomic weapons projects as well? What do they think Axis Powers would have done with the nukes had they been successful... Just admired them and wiped them down with a diaper?
Posted on 12/3/14 at 11:54 am to truetigerfan1975
It took two bombs to break the Japanese peoples resolve. That should speak for itself. They were ready to fight to the last man.
Posted on 12/3/14 at 11:55 am to truetigerfan1975
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No matter how many estimated lives I hear we supposedly saved
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I understand the arrogance and barbarity of Japanese leaders at that time
You clearly have zero understanding of that situation. Zero.
There was no room for the US and Japan to co-exist at that point and we were stretched too thin to play games. It was a horrible option but the only one that would shut down that front.
Posted on 12/3/14 at 11:55 am to truetigerfan1975
People are so ignorant of history on this subject.
We killed more people in the conventional fire bombing raids on Tokyo. Near a 100k in one night bombing alone. Tokyo was built of wood and paper and we dropped incendiaries specifically to engulf it in flames.
The tales of the firestorms are horrific.
If you're dead from a Nuke, or dead from an incinerating firestorm caused by a conventional bomb--you're just as dead.
End of story.
We killed more people in the conventional fire bombing raids on Tokyo. Near a 100k in one night bombing alone. Tokyo was built of wood and paper and we dropped incendiaries specifically to engulf it in flames.
The tales of the firestorms are horrific.
If you're dead from a Nuke, or dead from an incinerating firestorm caused by a conventional bomb--you're just as dead.
End of story.
This post was edited on 12/3/14 at 11:56 am
Posted on 12/3/14 at 11:56 am to truetigerfan1975
I see the point of war as being to utterly destroy your enemy. We accomplished that and won.
Posted on 12/3/14 at 11:56 am to truetigerfan1975
In a simple way one of the objectives of war is to inflict as much damage onto the enemy so to kill them or force them to submit while taking as little damage to yourself or your allies. Any morality that is later tried to be imposed is typically just a farce that is perpetrated on the losers by the victors in order to further dehumanize the opposition and justify the events of the war.
Nothing about war is moral or nice. War is brutal, barbaric, and horrible. In many ways those bombs weren't any worse than many other things that took place during WWII.
Nothing about war is moral or nice. War is brutal, barbaric, and horrible. In many ways those bombs weren't any worse than many other things that took place during WWII.
Posted on 12/3/14 at 11:57 am to TigerGman
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We killed more people in the conventional fire bombing raids on Tokyo. Near a 100k in one night bombing alone. Tokyo was built of wood and paper and we dropped incendiaries specifically to engulf it in flames.
I always think of this when I hear people talking about the A-bombs we used. If it's a matter of loss of life, then why do they never talk about Tokyo? Hell, for that matter we could talk about places like Dresden as well.
Posted on 12/3/14 at 11:58 am to truetigerfan1975
frick Japan. They wouldn't quit, and they treated POWs absolutely horribly. It's a shame that citizens were affected, but they were the same people that fostered a culture of men that were horribly inhumane.
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