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re: Harris - Miles response on radio show told alot IMO

Posted on 11/26/14 at 2:34 pm to
Posted by earl keese
A Thousand Miles from Nowhere
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Posted on 11/26/14 at 2:34 pm to
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Miles and Cam are not idiots. They know football and are playing the best players that help the team win.
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Lost me here
I'm not surprised. Let me guess...You hate Miles!
Posted by OceanMan
Member since Mar 2010
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Posted on 11/26/14 at 2:40 pm to
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Hey Les, running off Rettig because he couldn't run fast enough doesn't look like such a good idea now, does it?


By recruiting better players?
Posted by Geauxgurt
Member since Sep 2013
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Posted on 11/26/14 at 2:45 pm to
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Bama was beating the West Carolina Catamounts 10-7 after the first Q, last week. Oregon was down 7-0 against Wyoming early this year after Q1. FSU has been down at half in 5-11 of games in 2014.


Did any of their QBs have 3 turnovers in the 1st quarter against said shite opponent?
Posted by PG
Mandeville
Member since Sep 2012
2590 posts
Posted on 11/26/14 at 2:48 pm to
Sure Saban would give him a hug and kiss and say it is just all ok .....
Posted by catnip
Member since Sep 2003
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Posted on 11/26/14 at 2:49 pm to
If approx 125 total yds in a game with AJ playing then I wouldn't put Harris in either if we are gonna get less production than that.
Posted by Scoob
Near Exxon
Member since Jun 2009
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Posted on 11/26/14 at 2:52 pm to
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Sure, AJ may "know" all the plays but he quite obviously hasn't the actual ability to execute them.
I really don't know how much evidence we need to see. If Harris isn't there, play Kragthorpe. shite, Hatch was a better passer than Jennings. Maybe Krags is the answer. But it can not get worse.
Go rewatch 2008's games. Hatch couldn't throw the ball on a rope more than 10 yds (10 REAL yards, not "move the chains on 1st and 10"). His Hail Mary/bomb might be able to go 30 yds. Hatch ran the option and understood the scheme better than Lee, but Lee was the only guy with an arm.

Jennings probably doesn't understand the scheme as well as Hatch might have, doesn't have the benefit of experienced receivers running routes they are supposed to, but he's got 10x the arm Hatch has, and didn't break in half the first time he got hit by an SEC defense.

As for playing someone else other than Jennings... probably not the best idea.
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But it can not get worse
For the program? Sure it can. Right now, you have the team bowl-eligible, so you get the extra month of practice to teach players (prepare Harris). That was probably one of the only realistic goals the coaches had for this season. But there's one other long-term benefit that can be reached- have acceptable depth at QB going forward.

If Jennings has agreed to be the good soldier and hold the seat for Harris this year, then you have to give that to him. Like I said, he probably accomplished all that was expected of him by getting the team to a bowl. If more was expected, I doubt we'd even see Harris on the roster, we'd have gone after backups. But it seems like he's accepted he will get this year as his own, and then give up the job whenever Harris is ready.

If he's pulled for Kragthorpe, you might as well ask Jennings to turn in his transfer papers right now. "Yay he sucks, let him go!"

Jennings might suck as a starter, but as an experienced backup with some wins under his belt, and a willingness to put the team in front of his own goals, that's great. Why throw a benching in his face now, when it wouldn't change the season? Especially since we don't have anyone else remotely ready.
Posted by OceanMan
Member since Mar 2010
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Posted on 11/26/14 at 2:56 pm to
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Did any of their QBs have 3 turnovers in the 1st quarter against said shite opponent?


Is that the point? No, it isn't. He said that well coached teams don't get off to slow starts. Well, it appears the top 3 teams in the country all get to slow starts.

And again, why are you ppl so bent out of shape about a game in September that we won by 50+ points.
Posted by OceanMan
Member since Mar 2010
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Posted on 11/26/14 at 2:57 pm to
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Sure Saban would give him a hug and kiss and say it is just all ok .....



How bout you respond to my post that he was responding to? Is it because it clearly shows you have no clue what you are talking about?
Posted by texastigerr
Texas
Member since Jan 2005
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Posted on 11/26/14 at 3:02 pm to
None of this makes no sense at all. We had 126 yards of offense against Arkansas. How can we be more limited than that. 1 Yard in the first quarter, couldn't even figure out how to get LF more than 5 carries. This is the biggest load of crap and it just keeps coming. Freshman QB's with less talent than Harris are playing all over college football.

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My opinion...I wouldn't expect to see Harris play much this year, but that is probably more of a testament to Harris still not knowing the offense well enough.


Really? We're at the last game of the regular season! He hasn't played much already, what kind of statement is that? Even if he played the whole game tomorrow you would classify it as not playing much this season. Why? because Miles threw him into the wolves against Auburn.
Posted by Geauxgurt
Member since Sep 2013
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Posted on 11/26/14 at 3:06 pm to
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Like I said, he probably accomplished all that was expected of him by getting the team to a bowl. If more was expected, I doubt we'd even see Harris on the roster, we'd have gone after backups.


Really? You are telling me that LSU couldn't muster 6 wins with Harris starting at QB all season? They likely beat the same teams minus probably one of UW or Ole Miss.

In fact, I'd be surprised if LSU wasn't at 8 wins right now with Harris in. LSU has lost 2 games because the offense was mediocre while the defense played out of its mind.

LSU was at worst gifted 4 wins this season with their schedule. I seriosuly doubt they couldn't have won 2 of the other 8 with Harris starting.

The same thing goes for Beckwith not starting at MLB all season. Yes, their would've been legitimate growing pains early on, but he would've gotten over much of them prior to SEC play. Instead we lost the MSU games, nearly lost UW, lost Auburn all in an effort to start Welter because "he knew the plays more".
This post was edited on 11/26/14 at 3:08 pm
Posted by lsufanz
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Posted on 11/26/14 at 3:08 pm to
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How is it possible to score worse than 0 points?
I've seen this asked a few times and I think that in Miles' mind a QB can score worse than 0 points, they can score points for the other team. His fear from past experience seems to have him crippled.

My problem with the current state of affairs is that it is part of a pattern, with one glaring exception. I'm concerned that there is little likelihood that we have a Mettenberger situation again anytime soon. The system, as complicated as it must be, seems to take years to become proficient in and we don't have a cupboard full of talented QBs waiting for their turn in line. In fact it seems that good QBs are more likely to transfer if playing time is nowhere on the horizon. The system that seems to be employed at LSU leaves very little room for error in player evaluation and or development, yet the coaching staff continues in the same direction. The "next man up" idea seems to be impossible for the QB position at LSU, so it's feast or famine. Players have come into games at the position and had success, but that success has been difficult or impossible to replicate.

If the system is that damned difficult to grasp and execute at the college level, it seems rational that the system needs to be re-evaluated.
Posted by Geauxgurt
Member since Sep 2013
10459 posts
Posted on 11/26/14 at 3:10 pm to
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I've seen this asked a few times and I think that in Miles' mind a QB can score worse than 0 points, they can score points for the other team. His fear from past experience seems to have him crippled.


Yet Harris has what? 3 turnovers on the season with 1 a hailmary against MSU on the last play of the game and another in garbage time where he pressed.

That's what is funny to me. It's not like Harris was pulling RS freshmen JLEE type performances with the turnovers in his time in the games.
Posted by PG
Mandeville
Member since Sep 2012
2590 posts
Posted on 11/26/14 at 3:18 pm to
How about this one? We are not talking about one game - it has been inconsistency ALL season from the 1st game to the Arkansas game.
Level of opponent or what stage did not matter. WI, NmxSt, AU, MsSt, ARK
5 games where we did not come on the field prepared to get at it from the start.
More important than this nonsense - Happy Thanksgiving to all and enjoy the time with your family and friends. This other stuff is just a game and entertainment .........
This post was edited on 11/26/14 at 3:30 pm
Posted by lsufanz
NOLA
Member since Dec 2008
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Posted on 11/26/14 at 3:19 pm to
No argument here. I'm just trying to make sense of a maddening situation and hope that I'm wrong.
Posted by OceanMan
Member since Mar 2010
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Posted on 11/26/14 at 3:29 pm to
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How about this one? We are not talking about one game - it has been inconsistency ALL season from the 1st game to the Arkansas game.


FSU has fallen behind in half its games this year at halftime. They happen to have the best player I'm the country on their team, which has helped them overcome it.

I mean you aren't going to get me to say we have played great this year. But to say we are the only team that ever starts slow is just ignorant.

Keep changing your argument though.
Posted by Scoob
Near Exxon
Member since Jun 2009
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Posted on 11/26/14 at 3:29 pm to
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Really? You are telling me that LSU couldn't muster 6 wins with Harris starting at QB all season? They likely beat the same teams minus probably one of UW or Ole Miss.

In fact, I'd be surprised if LSU wasn't at 8 wins right now with Harris in. LSU has lost 2 games because the offense was mediocre while the defense played out of its mind.
I think you're missing the point. Harris looked good running a scramble drill against Miss St; that's not designed plays. That's having physical talent. He dominated against NMSU; he (and LSU) should have. Jennings looked particularly shitty and forced things... that's really not too unusual for a guy who hadn't fully accepted he's a lame duck. I think he (Jennings) was fighting the notion that he wasn't the future here, and stressed out too much. Based on his play later on, he seems to have come to grips with that better. It would have to suck to be in that spot, I'd imagine.

Harris was clueless and overwhelmed against Auburn. He wasn't ready. So, sit him down and teach him the playbook. Not the individual, weekly gameplan, the actual playbook. He's got the next couple years with WRs and RBs in place, and can be very good if/when he grasps everything. Starting Harris would mean focusing on the individual gameplan for each game, and no longer spending significant time teaching him the overall offense.

As for this season, it was clear early on that this wasn't going to be a championship year. 7-2 was fool's gold and inspired false hope for some fans, but even had we ran out to 10-2, we aren't ready THIS YEAR to play for a title.

Posted by OceanMan
Member since Mar 2010
20023 posts
Posted on 11/26/14 at 3:33 pm to
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Yet Harris has what? 3 turnovers on the season with 1 a hailmary against MSU on the last play of the game and another in garbage time where he pressed.


So, Harris gets a pass on meaningless t/o's and Jennings doesn't? And he has played like 20% of the snaps, would you expect him to have more than Jennings?

At least try and be objective geez.
Posted by Chitter Chatter
In and Out of Consciousness
Member since Sep 2009
4660 posts
Posted on 11/26/14 at 3:37 pm to
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QB development is lacking at LSU and that's on Cam.


On Les as well as LSU has not developed the QB position much at all under his tenure.
Posted by Tom Bronco
Austin, TX
Member since Jun 2011
2650 posts
Posted on 11/26/14 at 3:38 pm to
Number one a quarterback doesn't have to know the whole playbook to come in and throw a pass or two. Number two Miles is stubborn as the day is long. Once he decides something, he will stick to it in the face of logic forever. If Harris didn't know the playbook why in the frick did Miles start him against one of our toughest opponents? Nope, the kid had a bad game and just like Lee, Les isn't going to ever trust him again. I really hope he transfers. Let's give the walk on's a shot. Can't be any worse.
Posted by tiger in the gump
Member since Jan 2005
775 posts
Posted on 11/26/14 at 3:39 pm to
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AJ couldn't score against Arkansas. Is that a disaster? How is it possible to score worse than 0 points? How can any human being watch a football team score zero points for three quarters and think "if we change quarterbacks now, our offense may suffer?"


did ole miss change qbs since they got shutout and all, and it wasn't the week after an OT loss to AL
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