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re: Harris - Miles response on radio show told alot IMO
Posted on 11/26/14 at 12:03 pm to PacWilly
Posted on 11/26/14 at 12:03 pm to PacWilly
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one mistake by a QB and your drive is over...you're punting. It's apples and oranges.
It would be apples and oranges if we had a productive product on the field. The thing of it is, we have had a ton of three and outs.
Posted on 11/26/14 at 12:06 pm to Scoob
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And this, in your mind, equals equal talent vs SEC defenses. Of course, this entire group should be lighting up the scoreboard, and petition to enter the draft. They're clearly ready to go against the Seahawks
If you can't grasp the difference between lighting up a scoreboard vs. putting an offense on the field that can throw more than 100 fricking measly arse yards per game, and generating more than ten points a game in the SEC, then you are a damn idiot.
And I don't care how many individual players you post about. Notice you didn't post any players from the Oline/TE who are all upperclassmen.
But you're right. If I'm upset we can't even score fricking points and throw for less than 100 yards a game, then that obviously means I expect us to put up 60+ Ppg and 400 yards passing.
You're favorite pro team is probably the Jets. Got beat 38-3 and their qb throws for 89 yards. Sound familiar?
Posted on 11/26/14 at 12:09 pm to Big EZ Tiger
45th with that group of NFL talent too ..........
Posted on 11/26/14 at 12:24 pm to Mr. Wayne
quote:That's the way I'm taking it. Miles, in my view, is looking at what happened with the 2008-and following QBs. That was Perilloux's team; when he got booted... Hatch was the starter, not Lee. Lee wasn't ready, and it showed; but Hatch got killed and Lee had to go in too early. It ruined his development and confidence... and eventually that led to Jefferson being put in too early. And once Jefferson had to prepare as a starter, he really never developed any further.
Honestly it is the least infuriating answer Miles has given all year. His first statement about the 50/50 split and future is the best explanation he has given thus far. I almost took from it that he's saying the coaches decided to sacrifice Jennings in order to ensure Harris is as ready as possible.
If you throw Harris in too early and give him the job fulltime, you risk another Lee/Jefferson type of problem. You get overwhelmed, exposed, and lose your confidence (Lee), and/or you rely on pure physical ability and legs rather than grow as a passer (Jefferson). Harris got the start at Auburn and crashed badly, and Miles probably said "no way I'm doing that again".
I'd bet this was always the plan, and the team knew it going into this year. Harris is the chosen future of the program. If he wasn't, and the job was wide open, why would Rivers leave? He had time in the system and was more similar to Mettenberger than the two guys we have. He left because the system is being built to fit Harris' game, not to continue playing Mettenberger's. If the job was wide open, why did Rettig leave? He left because it isn't open, it's Harris', when he's ready.
Harris showed us against NMSU and Miss St why he's going to be the man; he showed us against Auburn why he's not this season's starter. Patience
Posted on 11/26/14 at 12:27 pm to TeddyPadillac
The biggest issue is that if you have two young QBs, why the eff are you not simplifying the offense for both of them and then growing the offense as they get more comfortable?
Instead Les and Cam are doing exactly what Crowton did in 2008. Running the same offense they gave a 5th year senior with a true sophomore and true freshman. That in and of itself is utterly idiotic and why I have little faith in consistency from the offense with either around.
UT had the same problem with Vince Young. Early on they kept trying to force him into their offense and once they realized it wasn't working, they tailored their offense to him and poof the end of 2004 and 2005 happened.
Instead Les and Cam are doing exactly what Crowton did in 2008. Running the same offense they gave a 5th year senior with a true sophomore and true freshman. That in and of itself is utterly idiotic and why I have little faith in consistency from the offense with either around.
UT had the same problem with Vince Young. Early on they kept trying to force him into their offense and once they realized it wasn't working, they tailored their offense to him and poof the end of 2004 and 2005 happened.
Posted on 11/26/14 at 12:41 pm to Barry Badrinath
quote:Apparently so is Les Miles (despite his winning record) and Cam Cameron (despite his long history of developing QBs and running NFL offenses). Maybe you should take the job instead, you know so much more than them dumbasses. I bet yer reel gude on the xbox
If you can't grasp the difference between lighting up a scoreboard vs. putting an offense on the field that can throw more than 100 fricking measly arse yards per game, and generating more than ten points a game in the SEC, then you are a damn idiot.
quote:Offensive line coach is new this season; new schemes. Maybe you hadn't noticed that. Or did you consider the blocking to be great early in the season? TE's, they may be on the roster, but we don't have 1 that will sniff a practice squad. It's not a part of the scheme, and hasn't been, so none of those guys are any type of factor. Maybe down the road it will be, but I think it's more likely we go FB and 3 WRs, rather than incorporate at TE into the passing offense. The TE here is an extra lineman.
And I don't care how many individual players you post about. Notice you didn't post any players from the Oline/TE who are all upperclassmen.
As for individual players... so who the frick is supposed to run plays, if not the players? Again this sounds like an Xbox response- it doesn't matter how nice your play is drawn up if the players can't execute it.
quote:Nope, I'm a Saints fan, and will remain so. Was before they were good, and will continue to be when everyone jumps off the bandwagon. That's because I'm a fan of the team.
You're favorite pro team is probably the Jets. Got beat 38-3 and their qb throws for 89 yards
I'm guessing your favorite college team is Alabama, because they're winning right now. Sound familiar?
Posted on 11/26/14 at 12:48 pm to PacWilly
I know they are doing the best with what they have, but the issue is that (as you're seeing with RG3) developing a non traditional drop back passer into one is very difficult and takes a long time. Why don't they just recruit guys who can come in and play that style already?
Posted on 11/26/14 at 12:55 pm to Draconian Sanctions
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I know they are doing the best with what they have, but the issue is that (as you're seeing with RG3) developing a non traditional drop back passer into one is very difficult and takes a long time. Why don't they just recruit guys who can come in and play that style already?
Valid question for the coaching staff. I'd like to hear their response to this.
Posted on 11/26/14 at 12:58 pm to Scoob
I can't believe you are blaming the players over someone who gets paid $4 mill a year, but hey I guess I blame my players on Xbox when I press a wrong button. You stupid son of a bitch.. Players suck. Coach gude. Yay!! Go Tigers!!
Now I would debate you further and continue to point out the ways you are a schmuck but I'm about to walk in a movie.
So Go frick yourself and have a happy thanksgiving.
Now I would debate you further and continue to point out the ways you are a schmuck but I'm about to walk in a movie.
So Go frick yourself and have a happy thanksgiving.
Posted on 11/26/14 at 12:58 pm to OchoDedos
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If they bring in a JUCO (BIG IF) next semester I think it's probably likely Harris is starting at McNeese or SELU next fall.
Because Harris is coming along too slow, the coaching staff would be smart to bring in a JUCO QB. If that upsets Harris, then so be it. We need a backup plan if Harris can't pick up this offense in the spring because Jennings is not the answer.
Posted on 11/26/14 at 1:04 pm to PacWilly
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Because Harris is coming along too slow, the coaching staff would be smart to bring in a JUCO QB. If that upsets Harris, then so be it. We need a backup plan if Harris can't pick up this offense in the spring because Jennings is not the answer.
It's the system we run and how it's being taught. Just about every QB we have progresses very slowly.
Posted on 11/26/14 at 1:04 pm to PacWilly
quote:Well, I suppose we could be worse, but then we would have to have negative points.
They know football and are playing the best players that help the team win
quote:We don't score points, we don't move the ball, we are terrible. There is no better gear in our offense.
Miles emphasized that Anthony Jennings is currently the quarterback who makes the team better
quote:Jennings looks as lost as can be out there. If this is better than Harris, I can only imagine Harris seriously not understanding how to hold a football.
more of a testament to Harris still not knowing the offense well enough
Posted on 11/26/14 at 1:06 pm to Big EZ Tiger
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Miles and his offensive coordinators have done a poor job of developing a decent passing game regardless of what QB is starting.
Agreed. I've stated in this thread and others that I think we have a QB development problem which is on Cam Cameron. Ultimately, Les hired Cam so he needs to hold Cam responsible.
The concerning thing is that Miles has said coaching is not the problem. If that's the case, then we recruited the wrong QBs.
Posted on 11/26/14 at 1:21 pm to Scoob
quote:Or maybe they saw what a cluster the offense is and said f it.
He left because the system is being built to fit Harris' game, not to continue playing Mettenberger's. If the job was wide open, why did Rettig leave? He left because it isn't open, it's Harris', when he's ready.
Posted on 11/26/14 at 1:27 pm to Draconian Sanctions
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Why don't they just recruit guys who can come in and play that style already?
I agree with this. Probably the biggest mystery of Miles career here at LSU. The best QB's Miles had were JR and Mett, both prototypes for pro style offense and less average runners.
What amazes me is that Arizona State (and some other teams) has two excellent passing QB's who can run as well, and the Tigers are struggling for 7-8 years to find one.
Posted on 11/26/14 at 1:27 pm to PacWilly
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Miles answered
Did he also have his finger in his ear when he was speaking?
Posted on 11/26/14 at 1:28 pm to PacWilly
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.."we are waiting for Harris to take the reins of this team. Right now, he just is not getting it fast enough. If we put him in the game, we are limiting us even more than what you see with Jennings
I'll buy that Harris is not coming along as nicely as they'd like. But, the concept of us being more limited with him than with AJ seems a bit of a stretch given that I literally believe we would only be marginally more limited with Magee at QB.
Sure, AJ may "know" all the plays but he quite obviously hasn't the actual ability to execute them. I'm a pretty smart guy and I played a good bit of ball in my day. I could probably be taught all the plays too. But, you don't want me at QB!!!
Posted on 11/26/14 at 1:32 pm to ShortyRob
quote:I really don't know how much evidence we need to see. If Harris isn't there, play Kragthorpe. shite, Hatch was a better passer than Jennings. Maybe Krags is the answer. But it can not get worse.
Sure, AJ may "know" all the plays but he quite obviously hasn't the actual ability to execute them.
Posted on 11/26/14 at 1:33 pm to Duckman13
How can Harris not be able to hand-off 70% of the time and pass at least with arm strength the other (If they have to keep playing conservative)
How about letting Harris run the 2 minute offense he did against MSU???? That seemed to be OK
I am just not buying any of that horseshite as it is ALL on the coaching for not having a 2 year QB any better than he is now (Jennings) or the Best Dual Threat QB to come out (Harris)... Hell see what little to nothing they did with the kid from Houston
Our offense is horrible and too conservative and LM has his stamp on this shite for a long time now. After 4 games last year the high powered offense scaled down to still good but he threw his rope on the offense a bit....
Its their lack of balance that kills us
How about letting Harris run the 2 minute offense he did against MSU???? That seemed to be OK
I am just not buying any of that horseshite as it is ALL on the coaching for not having a 2 year QB any better than he is now (Jennings) or the Best Dual Threat QB to come out (Harris)... Hell see what little to nothing they did with the kid from Houston
Our offense is horrible and too conservative and LM has his stamp on this shite for a long time now. After 4 games last year the high powered offense scaled down to still good but he threw his rope on the offense a bit....
Its their lack of balance that kills us
Posted on 11/26/14 at 1:37 pm to PacWilly
Then I'm not sure why he felt BH was ready for the Auburn game, or was it that he gave in to media and fan base pressure. Either way I feel BH lost confidence in that debacle of a game and lack of gameplan. I hope BH is able to recover and we don't lose too many recruits in the process.
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