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So what's wrong with the lapel camera idea?

Posted on 11/25/14 at 9:16 pm
Posted by DaGarun
Smashville
Member since Nov 2007
26184 posts
Posted on 11/25/14 at 9:16 pm
I don't see the downside.

Eliminate the uncertainty and assumptions that give an entry point to the Sharptons of the world, and at the same time keep law enforcement on the up-and-up.

Where am I wrong?
Posted by Radiojones
The Twilight Zone
Member since Feb 2007
10728 posts
Posted on 11/25/14 at 9:17 pm to
You are not wrong, it is a great idea.
Posted by Joshjrn
Baton Rouge
Member since Dec 2008
27071 posts
Posted on 11/25/14 at 9:18 pm to
You aren't.
Posted by gaetti15
AK
Member since Apr 2013
13365 posts
Posted on 11/25/14 at 9:21 pm to
It's a good idea...but you will never be able to think what that officer is thinking in a serious situation.

It will give good insight, but people will still bash about what the cop decides to do.
Posted by tysonslefthook
Near Baton Rouge
Member since Apr 2014
1218 posts
Posted on 11/25/14 at 9:22 pm to
quote:

It's a good idea...but you will never be able to think what that officer is thinking in a serious situation. It will give good insight, but people will still bash about what the cop decides to do.


Agreed. But still a good idea
Posted by Iosh
Bureau of Interstellar Immigration
Member since Dec 2012
18941 posts
Posted on 11/25/14 at 9:22 pm to
quote:

I don't see the downside.

Eliminate the uncertainty and assumptions that give an entry point to the Sharptons of the world, and at the same time keep law enforcement on the up-and-up.

Where am I wrong?
Because so far, none of the jurisdictions that have implemented them have implemented a corresponding rule of adverse inference against the state when the camera is off.

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Posted by weagle99
Member since Nov 2011
35893 posts
Posted on 11/25/14 at 9:23 pm to
Unions won't allow it.
Posted by DaGarun
Smashville
Member since Nov 2007
26184 posts
Posted on 11/25/14 at 9:24 pm to
There is cost, of course, but compared to what? What's the cost of false police brutality cases? Or the cost of someone killed by a dirty cop?

What's the cost for Wilson, who even if he acted as the GJ said, can never go back to the way it was. Can you imagine? You do everything right, follow training to a "T", but your life changes forever, and not in a good way.

I think its a small price to pay as a nation.
Posted by DaGarun
Smashville
Member since Nov 2007
26184 posts
Posted on 11/25/14 at 9:28 pm to
quote:

but you will never be able to think what that officer is thinking in a serious situation.

I agree, but sometimes what an officer thinks can be wrong, too. It's not "free reign" if they think something unreasonable, imo.

If I was a cop, I think I'd want that thing running 24/7
Posted by DaGarun
Smashville
Member since Nov 2007
26184 posts
Posted on 11/25/14 at 9:31 pm to
quote:

none of the jurisdictions that have implemented them have implemented a corresponding rule of adverse inference against the state when the camera is off.

Ok, throw that in too. In fact, don't even give control to the officer on-site.
This post was edited on 11/25/14 at 9:33 pm
Posted by Radiojones
The Twilight Zone
Member since Feb 2007
10728 posts
Posted on 11/25/14 at 9:32 pm to
Just like instant replay in football it won't solve everything, but it will certainly help.
Posted by Chappy
G-Town
Member since Jul 2007
3407 posts
Posted on 11/25/14 at 9:32 pm to
People should be careful of what they ask for

If the video quality is good it will increase convictions of Minorities

That is until defense attorneys begin fighting to exclude the videos in trial because they violate the defendants rights since he never gave permission to be video taped.
Posted by DaGarun
Smashville
Member since Nov 2007
26184 posts
Posted on 11/25/14 at 9:35 pm to
quote:

People should be careful of what they ask for

If the video quality is good it will increase convictions of Minorities

Maybe. Maybe not. Either way, I don't see the downside yet.
Posted by Rickety Cricket
Premium Member
Member since Aug 2007
46883 posts
Posted on 11/25/14 at 9:36 pm to
There is literally no downside, for cop or citizen.
Posted by SammyTiger
Baton Rouge, LA
Member since Feb 2009
66572 posts
Posted on 11/25/14 at 9:42 pm to
As a future lawyer i think everyone should wear a video camera while on the job.

Of course you couldn't look at mine because that is privileged.
Posted by ChineseBandit58
Pearland, TX
Member since Aug 2005
42609 posts
Posted on 11/25/14 at 9:52 pm to
quote:

There is literally no downside, for cop or citizen.

True - and it will cut out a lot of the bullshite claims by defense attys.
Posted by Five0
Member since Dec 2009
11354 posts
Posted on 11/25/14 at 9:55 pm to
1. Prefer a glasses type of camera. Where my eyes are looking is not always to my front.

2. Threats don't always come from the front.

My take on cameras, love them if:

1. High frame rate and a field of view to mimic as close as possible to the human field of vision. (another reason for a head mounted camera)

2. Have all supervisors and admins wear them when dealing with the public and subordinates. (gets unions on board, I'm not in one by the way)

3. If any wrongdoing is alleged, the accused officer has right to a certified copy of all audio and video footage. (again for the officer's discovery, this is huge. It will get the line cops onboard with a fair shake for administrative hearings.)

4. Allow cops and citizens to use any and all video for criminal and civil litigation. If it is not requested it should be stored on a secure server for a minimum of 2 years. I prefer 6 for AL statute of limitations. (cost could be a big barrier)

5. Set when the camera must be on. For example:
a) lights on
b) exceeding a set cruiser speed
c) cruiser collision sensor
d) voluntary activation {any non consensual contact}
e) rifle rack release


Just off the top of my head.
This post was edited on 11/25/14 at 10:18 pm
Posted by Sentrius
Fort Rozz
Member since Jun 2011
64757 posts
Posted on 11/25/14 at 9:57 pm to
People that are opposed to it should be someone not of high moral value and should be seen and treated with suspicion.
Posted by mmcgrath
Indianapolis
Member since Feb 2010
35406 posts
Posted on 11/25/14 at 10:12 pm to
quote:

5. Set when the camera must be on. For example:
a) lights on
b) exceeding a set cruiser speed
c) cruiser collision sensor
d) voluntary activation {any non consensual contact}
e) rifle rack release

ALWAYS. In this case supposedly there was a dash cam but the audio was switched off. Would have resolved a TON of questions.
Posted by Five0
Member since Dec 2009
11354 posts
Posted on 11/25/14 at 10:17 pm to
quote:

but the audio was switched off.


or the battery was dead. The body mic is the weak point. Our charging cradles in the car are a pain to deal with, and the charge will not last a full shift (12 hours for me). I doubt they would last 8. I know they will not recording and I have never had one last the whole time in standby mode either.
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