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Ideas and Strategies that Smart Football Coaches should employ...
Posted on 11/24/14 at 3:21 am
Posted on 11/24/14 at 3:21 am
These two seem like relative no-brainers that smart football coaches could use at least 2-5 times per season. Do you have any other low-risk/high reward strategies that you wish your favorite team would employ?
A) "Steal a timeout" at a key juncture: You score late in a close game to draw within one point of your opponent. Let's say that after your TD the score stands at 23-24 with 54 seconds left to play. You have pre-arranged that after a potential touchdown, your offense will calmly stay on the field to attempt what looks like a potential game-winning 2 point conversion instead of the tying extra point kick. The odds that your opponent will be surprised by this and use one of their remaining timeouts (thereby hurting their own chance of driving for a winning FG in the last 54 seconds) are extremely high in this spot. If your opponent doesn't use a timeout, you can just lineup for the 2-point attempt with your offense and either try to draw them offsides (which if successful you might actually want to go through with the 2-point try from 1 yard out) or you can take a timeout of your own (no bid deal in this spot) or you can let the delay of game hit and trust your kicker to make a 25-yard extra point kick instead of 20.
B) "Exploit the Kickoff spot". Your QB just threw a touchdown pass and while he was following through on his motion, his helmet got swatted by a defensive lineman who was going for the sack. The officials threw the flag and the 15-yard penalty will be assessed on the kickoff. Since you're now kicking off from midfield, you decided to attempt a "surprise" onside kick where the kicker and the two "gunners" lined up closest to him will all charge the football straight up the middle of the field where he scooches it along the ground, timing the kick to arrive at the opponents' 40 yard line just about when he and the two gunners will be there to recover the kick. If the kick works, you have stolen a free possession at your opponents' 38 yard line or thereabouts. If it doesn't work, your opponent recovers at around their 38 hardline, and you've surrendered a mere 18 yards but took a crack at a potential game-changing play.
B2: A more conservative version of this would be a "deeper" onside kick where the kicker makes sure that the ball travels at least 15-25 yards yet still leaves a possibility for a recovery by your team (albeit less likely than a traditional "up the middle" onside kick. The upside to this (probably) less likely recovery is that the kick travels further, limiting the field position you give up from 18 yards to about 5-10 yards, while still taking a crack at a game-changing play.
What says the MSB? Any others?
A) "Steal a timeout" at a key juncture: You score late in a close game to draw within one point of your opponent. Let's say that after your TD the score stands at 23-24 with 54 seconds left to play. You have pre-arranged that after a potential touchdown, your offense will calmly stay on the field to attempt what looks like a potential game-winning 2 point conversion instead of the tying extra point kick. The odds that your opponent will be surprised by this and use one of their remaining timeouts (thereby hurting their own chance of driving for a winning FG in the last 54 seconds) are extremely high in this spot. If your opponent doesn't use a timeout, you can just lineup for the 2-point attempt with your offense and either try to draw them offsides (which if successful you might actually want to go through with the 2-point try from 1 yard out) or you can take a timeout of your own (no bid deal in this spot) or you can let the delay of game hit and trust your kicker to make a 25-yard extra point kick instead of 20.
B) "Exploit the Kickoff spot". Your QB just threw a touchdown pass and while he was following through on his motion, his helmet got swatted by a defensive lineman who was going for the sack. The officials threw the flag and the 15-yard penalty will be assessed on the kickoff. Since you're now kicking off from midfield, you decided to attempt a "surprise" onside kick where the kicker and the two "gunners" lined up closest to him will all charge the football straight up the middle of the field where he scooches it along the ground, timing the kick to arrive at the opponents' 40 yard line just about when he and the two gunners will be there to recover the kick. If the kick works, you have stolen a free possession at your opponents' 38 yard line or thereabouts. If it doesn't work, your opponent recovers at around their 38 hardline, and you've surrendered a mere 18 yards but took a crack at a potential game-changing play.
B2: A more conservative version of this would be a "deeper" onside kick where the kicker makes sure that the ball travels at least 15-25 yards yet still leaves a possibility for a recovery by your team (albeit less likely than a traditional "up the middle" onside kick. The upside to this (probably) less likely recovery is that the kick travels further, limiting the field position you give up from 18 yards to about 5-10 yards, while still taking a crack at a game-changing play.
What says the MSB? Any others?
This post was edited on 11/24/14 at 3:25 am
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Posted on 11/24/14 at 5:04 am to SirWinston
Stop kicking field goals
Posted on 11/24/14 at 5:50 am to VerlanderBEAST
Quit punting in opponents' territory
Go for 2 every TD
Go for 2 every TD
Posted on 11/24/14 at 6:36 am to SirWinston
I wish my team would go for it on every 4th and 1.
Posted on 11/24/14 at 6:47 am to SirWinston
Go for it on 4th down about a million times more than teams do now.
Posted on 11/24/14 at 7:02 am to SirWinston
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A) "Steal a timeout" at a key juncture: You score late in a close game to draw within one point of your opponent. Let's say that after your TD the score stands at 23-24 with 54 seconds left to play. You have pre-arranged that after a potential touchdown, your offense will calmly stay on the field to attempt what looks like a potential game-winning 2 point conversion instead of the tying extra point kick. The odds that your opponent will be surprised by this and use one of their remaining timeouts (thereby hurting their own chance of driving for a winning FG in the last 54 seconds) are extremely high in this spot. If your opponent doesn't use a timeout, you can just lineup for the 2-point attempt with your offense and either try to draw them offsides (which if successful you might actually want to go through with the 2-point try from 1 yard out) or you can take a timeout of your own (no bid deal in this spot) or you can let the delay of game hit and trust your kicker to make a 25-yard extra point kick instead of 20.
Once this becomes common it stops working. Kind of like trying to draw an offsides on 4th and 1 near midfield....you usually see three or four hard counts and the defense doesn't bite because they know it's coming.
Posted on 11/24/14 at 7:45 am to Bestbank Tiger
Wouldn't happen in the NFL due to roster limitations but put a 6'10 basketball player with a good vertical one the field only to block field goals and extra points. A guy that tall would be in the kicker's head even if he doesn't block the kick.
Posted on 11/24/14 at 7:51 am to saderade
Punting is actually underutilized its almost always more beneficial than kicking a long FG
Posted on 11/24/14 at 7:56 am to SirWinston
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Posted on 11/24/14 at 3:21 am
hmmm...
Posted on 11/24/14 at 8:01 am to SirWinston
A's kind of intriguing. I agree with Bestbank the novelty might wear off, but I'm surprised no one does it now.
Agree with B (really it's only 13-15 yards in college, not 18, since a touchback is at the 25). Another good idea is to try to pooch kick it to about the 10. You're kicking off from the 50, so a) your coverage team is 15 yards closer already and b) your kicker should get extra hang time on a kick to the 10 than he would on a normal kickoff from the 35. I mean, practically, the returner should have to fair catch it or only be able to get about 5 yards on the return. So when kicking off from the 50, it should almost always be either an onside kick or a pooch, but it seems like it's almost always a touchback. Just doesn't make sense.
Agree with B (really it's only 13-15 yards in college, not 18, since a touchback is at the 25). Another good idea is to try to pooch kick it to about the 10. You're kicking off from the 50, so a) your coverage team is 15 yards closer already and b) your kicker should get extra hang time on a kick to the 10 than he would on a normal kickoff from the 35. I mean, practically, the returner should have to fair catch it or only be able to get about 5 yards on the return. So when kicking off from the 50, it should almost always be either an onside kick or a pooch, but it seems like it's almost always a touchback. Just doesn't make sense.
Posted on 11/24/14 at 8:11 am to VerlanderBEAST
quote:If you're in range to kick a long field, going for it would net a higher EV than punting in most instances.
Punting is actually underutilized its almost always more beneficial than kicking a long FG
Posted on 11/24/14 at 8:18 am to shel311
One thing I've never understood is why coaches don't teach qb's to throw the ball away unless you will gain positive yards when you are outside the pocket
Too often qbs will run out of bounds 2-3 years behind the LOS for no reason, just throw it out of bounds instead of running out of bounds being the LOS
Too often qbs will run out of bounds 2-3 years behind the LOS for no reason, just throw it out of bounds instead of running out of bounds being the LOS
Posted on 11/24/14 at 8:26 am to SirWinston
If you intentionally take a delay of game and the defense declines, just take another. I don't think I've seen anyone do that.
Posted on 11/24/14 at 8:31 am to SirWinston
If the opposing team is punting from its 5 yard line or inside, go for the block. Few teams have a Devin Hester type returner.
Outside of JJ Watt I see very few linemen who consistently put their hands up to try to block the QB's pass attempt. This should be a no-brainer.
Outside of JJ Watt I see very few linemen who consistently put their hands up to try to block the QB's pass attempt. This should be a no-brainer.
Posted on 11/24/14 at 9:00 am to Quidam65
quote:Every D-lineman is taught this. Its much harder to time that than you think. They need their arms to shed blocks and only throw them up at the exact right time. Really tough to do.
Outside of JJ Watt I see very few linemen who consistently put their hands up to try to block the QB's pass attempt. This should be a no-brainer.
But arms up in passing lanes is a very common and basic instruction for DLinemen.
Posted on 11/24/14 at 9:08 am to TheCaterpillar
End of Game management. When you are up less than 1 score and you get the ball back stop running the ball up the middle 3 times to burn through timeouts.
Run your normal offense and go for the game winning first down.
The basic misconception of coaching is "always take the points". From a game theory perspective there comes a point where the clock is more important than points especially in college where an offense can control the clock at their will.
Run your normal offense and go for the game winning first down.
The basic misconception of coaching is "always take the points". From a game theory perspective there comes a point where the clock is more important than points especially in college where an offense can control the clock at their will.
This post was edited on 11/24/14 at 9:10 am
Posted on 11/24/14 at 9:15 am to Buckeye06
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Too often qbs will run out of bounds 2-3 years behind the LOS for no reason
A lot of the time, it's because a lineman assumed they were running it and started down field and they don't want to risk illegal man downfiled.
Posted on 11/24/14 at 9:26 am to Buckeye Fan 19
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Another good idea is to try to pooch kick it to about the 10. You're kicking off from the 50, so a) your coverage team is 15 yards closer already and b) your kicker should get extra hang time on a kick to the 10 than he would on a normal kickoff from the 35. I mean, practically, the returner should have to fair catch it or only be able to get about 5 yards on the return. So when kicking off from the 50, it should almost always be either an onside kick or a pooch, but it seems like it's almost always a touchback. Just doesn't make sense.
Upvote. I've thought about this as well. If the kicker got enough hang time he could almost force a fair catch at like the 5 yard line.
Posted on 11/24/14 at 9:26 am to SirWinston
Another one that grinds my gears is when a team is down by 8 points in the 4th quarter, they play as if they're down 1 possession. Considering the 2pt conversion success rate, there's a better than 50% chance you're actually down 2 possessions, so there should be more sense of urgency.
Along the same lines, this one is a bit more rare, when a team is down by 15 points somewhat late in the 4th quarter, they almost always kick the extra point to go down 8, or "1 possession". Why wouldn't you go for 2 on the 1st TD, so now you know immediately if you'll be down by 9 or 7? More information earlier is better, and you could then plan the rest of the game accordingly, which is very different being down 7 as opposed to 9.
Along the same lines, this one is a bit more rare, when a team is down by 15 points somewhat late in the 4th quarter, they almost always kick the extra point to go down 8, or "1 possession". Why wouldn't you go for 2 on the 1st TD, so now you know immediately if you'll be down by 9 or 7? More information earlier is better, and you could then plan the rest of the game accordingly, which is very different being down 7 as opposed to 9.
Posted on 11/24/14 at 9:44 am to shel311
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Why wouldn't you go for 2 on the 1st TD, so now you know immediately if you'll be down by 9 or 7? More information earlier is better, and you could then plan the rest of the game accordingly, which is very different being down 7 as opposed to 9.
I see what you are saying, but there are some aspects that are not quantifiable that are ignored here...depending on how the game is going, you put pressure on the other team's offense and you avoid a potential momentum shift.
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