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Let's look at recent history: "Blue Blood/Elite" program firings in recent years
Posted on 11/17/14 at 1:16 pm
Posted on 11/17/14 at 1:16 pm
We consider ourselves to be a destination job and a team that has at least been "elite" (however you define it) programs in recent years who fired their coach for being too average. None of them are exactly similar, but let's list them anyway. If, a coach is fired, let's look at what's happened recently:
Successful Fire/Replace
Alabama: fired Shula in 2006 for Saban: Worked out ok though they backed into hire.
Florida State-Bowden fired in 2009 for Fisher: Returned to prominence
Notre Dame: Fired Weis for Kelly in 2009: returned to relative prominence
Ohio State-fired Tressell in 2010 for Meyer via Fickell: No drop off
Auburn: Fired Tubberville and Chizik: Worked out both times
Not Successful fire/Replace
Nebraska-Fired Solich in 2003 for Callahan: Not returned to prominence
Miami-Coker fired in 2006 for Shannon: Not returned to prominence
Michigan-"Retired" Carr in 2007 for Rodriguez: Not returned to prominence
Tennessee: Fired Fulmer in 2009 for Kiffin: Has not returned to prominence
TBD
Texas-Fired Brown in 2013 for Strong: TBD, but not pretty so far
USC: Fired Kiffen in 2013 for Sark: TBD
Florida: Fired Muschamp in 2014: TBD
Penn State: Fired Jo-Pa in 2011. Pretty unique situation
...the "are we a blue-blood" debate doesn't matter. This is a list of both "elite" and "BB" programs who fired a coach.
Successful Fire/Replace
Alabama: fired Shula in 2006 for Saban: Worked out ok though they backed into hire.
Florida State-Bowden fired in 2009 for Fisher: Returned to prominence
Notre Dame: Fired Weis for Kelly in 2009: returned to relative prominence
Ohio State-fired Tressell in 2010 for Meyer via Fickell: No drop off
Auburn: Fired Tubberville and Chizik: Worked out both times
Not Successful fire/Replace
Nebraska-Fired Solich in 2003 for Callahan: Not returned to prominence
Miami-Coker fired in 2006 for Shannon: Not returned to prominence
Michigan-"Retired" Carr in 2007 for Rodriguez: Not returned to prominence
Tennessee: Fired Fulmer in 2009 for Kiffin: Has not returned to prominence
TBD
Texas-Fired Brown in 2013 for Strong: TBD, but not pretty so far
USC: Fired Kiffen in 2013 for Sark: TBD
Florida: Fired Muschamp in 2014: TBD
Penn State: Fired Jo-Pa in 2011. Pretty unique situation
...the "are we a blue-blood" debate doesn't matter. This is a list of both "elite" and "BB" programs who fired a coach.
This post was edited on 11/17/14 at 2:23 pm
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Posted on 11/17/14 at 1:17 pm to Ghostfacedistiller
I really wouldn't consider LSU a "blue blood" program.
Posted on 11/17/14 at 1:18 pm to Ghostfacedistiller
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fired Shula in 2006 for Saban: Worked out ok
yeah it worked out "ok" i would say
Posted on 11/17/14 at 1:19 pm to GeauxxxTigers23
Me neither, as blue blood is a subjective term mostly used to describe teams with great success in the past: ND, Bama, USC, OSU, Michigan, Oklahoma, Texas, etc.
LSU has been "elite" by any standard over the last decade. I tried to include both (see Tennessee/Michigan)
LSU has been "elite" by any standard over the last decade. I tried to include both (see Tennessee/Michigan)
This post was edited on 11/17/14 at 1:34 pm
Posted on 11/17/14 at 1:19 pm to Ghostfacedistiller
Bama and Ohio State got very lucky IMO.
ND went through a series of firings and hirings before getting a good guy.
My confidence in Alleva is very low. Very very low.
edit: I'm an LSU fan but to put us with some of those programs isn't being grounded in reality.
ND went through a series of firings and hirings before getting a good guy.
My confidence in Alleva is very low. Very very low.
edit: I'm an LSU fan but to put us with some of those programs isn't being grounded in reality.
This post was edited on 11/17/14 at 1:21 pm
Posted on 11/17/14 at 1:19 pm to Ghostfacedistiller
I think Charlie Strong is a good hire. Just depends on how he does with the Texas Bureaucracy. We'll see but he's showing those kids how to be respectable young mean and his team is rallying and winning games. Not bad.
This post was edited on 11/17/14 at 1:21 pm
Posted on 11/17/14 at 1:20 pm to Ghostfacedistiller
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backed into hire.
What does this mean exactly? It's not like he was fired from Miami a week after shula got canned
Posted on 11/17/14 at 1:20 pm to Ghostfacedistiller
Although not a firing you could put Florida Urban Meyer retired for Will Muschamp, sunk to a new low level. It took the same coaching search as a firing. in fact they had more time because Urban "came back for one last year."
Posted on 11/17/14 at 1:21 pm to Ghostfacedistiller
you should put Michigan in the "not successful" column as well
Posted on 11/17/14 at 1:27 pm to GeauxxxTigers23
quote:
I really wouldn't consider LSU a "blue blood" program
Top 10 Alltime Program. CFB Warehouse says number 9.
Maybe "blueblood/elite" ends at #8 for self-loathing purposes?
LINK
Posted on 11/17/14 at 1:32 pm to Riseupfromtherubble
Posted on 11/17/14 at 1:35 pm to Lsupimp
quote:
Top 10 Alltime Program. CFB Warehouse says number 9.
Maybe "blueblood/elite" ends at #8 for self-loathing purposes?
It's not self-loathing. I think LSU is an elite program who obviously has a lot of money and had some success over the years. I just don't think of them as "Blue Blood."
I would put the following programs ahead of LSU in "Blue Blood" Status in no particular order.
Notre Dame
Nebraska
Michigan
Texas
USC
Florida
Alabama
FSU
Ohio State
Tennessee
Oklahoma
That doesn't mean all of those programs are elite right now and maybe they never will be again. Notice I left off some other "elite" programs. I don't consider Oregon to be a Blue Blood but they are certainly elite, just like LSU.
Posted on 11/17/14 at 1:37 pm to Ghostfacedistiller
quote:Yes, that's how Bama fans consider hwo it worked out. ok.
Saban: Worked out ok
Posted on 11/17/14 at 1:39 pm to GeauxxxTigers23
Top 12 program?
Posted on 11/17/14 at 1:42 pm to Ghostfacedistiller
quote:
Alabama: fired Shula in 2006 for Saban: Worked out ok though they backed into hire.
I think you need to go back further on this one. BAMA's coaching hires were a cluster for a while. From Dubose, to Francionne, to that asshat who got fired for paying a stripper with a BAMA credit card or some shite even before coaching his first game to the Mike Shula hire when he was all they could get. They fricked shite up for a decade before they landed their guy.
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Notre Dame: Fired Weis for Kelly in 2009: returned to relative prominence
Again...go back further. They thought they replaced a bad hire by bringing in Ty Willingham, only to have to fire him in favor of Charlie Weiss who they then threw a bank at to then have to fire him for Kelly.
Just pointing those two out...because both of the programs floundered for a while before making a great hire in BAMA's case and a who knows hire in ND's.
Posted on 11/17/14 at 1:45 pm to GeauxxxTigers23
quote:
I would put the following programs ahead of LSU in "Blue Blood" Status in no particular order.
What about Penn State? Blue Bloods change over time. Princeton, Yale, Rutgers and Harvard are the original Blue Bloods of college football.
These are the current top programs in College Football 2014:
Alabama
Auburn
Florida
Florida State
Georgia
LSU
Michigan
Nebraska
Notre Dame
Ohio State
Oklahoma
Oregon
Penn State
Stanford
Texas
Texas A&M
USC
Posted on 11/17/14 at 1:46 pm to GeauxxxTigers23
quote:
Top 10 Alltime Program. CFB Warehouse says number 9. Maybe "blueblood/elite" ends at #8 for self-loathing purposes?
quote:
It's not self-loathing. I think
I'm sure that your rankings mean more than CFB Warehouse.
Carry on.
Posted on 11/17/14 at 1:47 pm to Ghostfacedistiller
quote:kind of early to say it isn't pretty.
texas-Fired Brown in 2013 for Strong: TBD, but not pretty so far
Mack was allowed time to drive that program into the fricking ground. Just looking at hiring and firing success is wrong. You have to look deeper into each situation. Such as did a team allow a coach to stay one or two year or more too long.
eta: and historically LSU is around 9-12. When looking at resources we really should be higher but for varying reasons we never sustain long term championship success.
This post was edited on 11/17/14 at 1:50 pm
Posted on 11/17/14 at 1:57 pm to GeauxTigerTM
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GeauxTigerTM
I agree. I was just listing the most recent an didn't want to post a wall of text. Miami has not gotten it right either. All of these are fairly unique situations.
Ironically, of the programs listed, I think Lloyd Carr mirrors our situation the closest--not the legend/program defining coach but decade or so of service, many quality years, one title early in his tenure.
This post was edited on 11/17/14 at 2:20 pm
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