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PFF Cumulative Stats for Games #1-9

Posted on 11/13/14 at 8:31 pm
Posted by Hoodoo Man
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Posted on 11/13/14 at 8:31 pm
I've decided to post the stats from all of our games this season to check on how our players are doing.
As always, take these stats with a grain of salt.



OFFENSE



-Although he's made some bad decisions at bad times (such as trying to extend drives inappropriately or making questionable reads), Brees is still playing very well. In fact, Brees' passing score is second only to Roethlisberger this season at this point in time. Big Ben's score is inflated due to some absolutely gaudy numbers this season.
-Let's look at Brees' passing.



-Although Brees is handling the pressure decently, it's still majorly affecting his game.
-Pass protection is probably the biggest problem on this offense (-23.5 is terrible). I don't know why we played Goodwin in our last game. He's clearly done, and Lelito is emerging as a good replacement, despite his inexperience.
-The top 4 rated players are Brees, Graham, Armstead, and Strief. That makes sense. However, Evans is so overpaid, it's absurd. Evans' pass blocking score is -15.2, which is the majority of our negative pass blocking variance.
-Cadet is just a guy. I don't know if he'll turn into a real receiving back threat.
-I never understood Payton's hard on for Lorig. The dude's never looked good to me. I think it's pretty clear that Johnson is our future at FB, if he can stay healthy.
-Both Ingram and Robinson are having solid seasons. Personally, I prefer Ingram's running.
-Our receivers are generally underperforming. Cooks has big play potential, but I think he's playing well for a rookie. The other receivers are rarely open. Colston, in particular, is letting us down. Poor receiving is our second biggest problem on offense.




DEFENSE



-Before we start, I should mention some of these scores (particularly the coverage scores) are unfairly brought down by Ryan's idiotic scheme to start the season, in which DB's played way off their man.
-Right away, the first thing I notice is that Jordan is having a bit of a slump. He's still definitely in the green, but it's not nearly as outstanding as previous seasons. Strange.
-Jordan's score is stranger considering Galette, Hicks, and Walker seem to be having their best seasons. Nice to see Hicks finally putting it together a bit, but I had hoped his pass rush would improve.
-Is Walker injured? I don't know why we don't play him more often.
-I've often thought that PFF was particularly uncharitable towards Curtis Lofton. I think Lofton is definitely solid, but not terribly athletic...and Ryan asks him to do entirely too much. He's not a great pass rusher, so that's affecting his score. I truly believe we need to pair him with an athletic ILB.
-I think Jenkins is still out of shape and possibly still injured. I believe he'll continue to improve.
-Brian Dixon has been surprisingly solid in limited play considering he's a UDFA rookie.
-Lewis' score should be considerably higher, but (as I mentioned) it's hurt by the beginning of the season.
-Robinson has made quite the turnaround. He's really come into his own as a corner covering the slot.
-He basically took White's spot, and White is not up for the CB2 role, clearly.
-But between White, Vaccaro, and Malcolm Jenkins absolutely lighting it up in Philly, I think we can say our DB coach sucks. The dropoff from year one to year two seems serious. I think we're ruining these DB's.
-SJB getting 8 total snaps is just ridiculous.
-Haralson should be kept around.



SPECIAL TEAMS



-Just thought you might like seeing these stats.
This post was edited on 11/13/14 at 8:34 pm
Posted by 3HourTour
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Posted on 11/13/14 at 8:33 pm to
Hunky badger will be missed
Posted by THRILLHO
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Posted on 11/13/14 at 8:40 pm to
Our OL strengths and weaknesses are the opposite of what Brees is comfortable with. Our 09/11 offenses would have been insane with 2014 Armstead and Strief.

I know that we need a WR and #2 CB, but I would be OK using 3 high picks on interior OL.
This post was edited on 11/13/14 at 8:43 pm
Posted by Melvin
Member since Apr 2011
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Posted on 11/13/14 at 8:41 pm to
God the interior Oline is what's killing us. I'm convinced.
Posted by Hoodoo Man
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Posted on 11/13/14 at 8:42 pm to
I've thought about that, as well.
It's weird for us to have strong outside protection and weak interior protection.

I really don't know what happened to Evans.
His dropoff was immediate and severe.
Posted by htran90
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Posted on 11/13/14 at 8:49 pm to
Fix the interior line, you fix Drew's mistakes and issues.

Armstead is looking like a steal and Strief is playing solid for the past few years.

It looks like Evans is the biggest culprit, resulting in our center playing bad, and that results in Grubbs having a bad time. But...Evans is such a good run blocker, wth?

Colston...is done...I'm sad inside, really sad inside.

Posted by Hoodoo Man
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Posted on 11/13/14 at 8:50 pm to
Call me crazy, but Colston almost seems indifferent.

But it's not just him.
Our receivers in general aren't doing it.
They're playing with a future HOF'er, but they act like they're playing with Andy fricking Dalton.
Posted by wayne5w
Austin, TX
Member since Aug 2014
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Posted on 11/13/14 at 8:53 pm to
Wow, that really tells the story. Really correlates to what I've been seeing on the field. WTF happened to Vaccaro? Ankle didn't heal??
Posted by htran90
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Posted on 11/13/14 at 8:55 pm to
quote:

Wow, that really tells the story. Really correlates to what I've been seeing on the field. WTF happened to Vaccaro? Ankle didn't heal??



Whats nice about having a veteran presence on the team is, they yell at the players when they're fricking up or when on the sideline tells you to improve.

We lack veteran leadership on defense, and it is showing in the secondary.
Posted by THRILLHO
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Posted on 11/13/14 at 8:56 pm to
It's going to be tough to do, but I could see us cutting Evans and Colston this offseason. Fortunately, we've always been great at finding interior OL in the middle rounds, and they have much less of a learning curve than the tackles. As for replacing Colston, I think that would best be done giving a relatively cheap 1 year "show me" deal to a younger player coming off of a meh season with high upside. Crabtree, Shorts, and Torrey Smith all fit the bill and could be looking for the chance to be the starting flanker on a high powered offense. Josh Morgan would be amazing if a bunch of teams are afraid to offer him a multi-year deal.
This post was edited on 11/13/14 at 9:00 pm
Posted by htran90
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Posted on 11/13/14 at 8:58 pm to
I think its undeniable that this year could be the last of Evans. Colston still has value as a WR if you were to cut his cost down, but where they stand now, their cost is way too much for their production. It also takes away snaps from younger players to improve and show potential.

Its sad, but after losing Deuce its not as bad I guess.
This post was edited on 11/13/14 at 9:04 pm
Posted by wayne5w
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Member since Aug 2014
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Posted on 11/13/14 at 8:58 pm to
Good point. That 4th and 10 is a really good example of that. We were in cover 2 and Vaccaro either thought he was in man, or decided he didn't care and left White exposed. Mental mistakes and poor communication.
Posted by BigBrod81
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Posted on 11/13/14 at 9:01 pm to
quote:

-Pass protection is probably the biggest problem on this offense (-23.5 is terrible). I don't know why we played Goodwin in our last game. He's clearly done, and Lelito is emerging as a good replacement, despite his inexperience.


quote:

-Our receivers are generally underperforming. Cooks has big play potential, but I think he's playing well for a rookie. The other receivers are rarely open. Colston, in particular, is letting us down. Poor receiving is our second biggest problem on offense.


These two issues are reason we are seeing Brees make some of the terrible plays we are seeing him make.

I believe the issues at receiver is worse then the problems at guard. The line has been solid at run blocking. You would think the offense's success on the ground would pay huge dividends with play action but it's not because receivers aren't consistently getting open.

I also wonder how much of a negative effect of receivers not consistently getting open has on the grading of the lineman. I would believe that the lineman are graded negatively for allowing pressure or a sack but do they account for the QB holding the ball because no receivers are open initially on the play? Ex. Armstead on the final offensive play Sunday. He actually blocked Brooks well if the pass is thrown on time but because Brees has wait for someone to get open, Brooks is able to loop all the way around for the sack fumble.

Posted by Hoodoo Man
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Posted on 11/13/14 at 9:08 pm to
quote:

I also wonder how much of a negative effect of receivers not consistently getting open has on the grading of the lineman. I would believe that the lineman are graded negatively for allowing pressure or a sack but do they account for the QB holding the ball because no receivers are open initially on the play? Ex. Armstead on the final offensive play Sunday. He actually blocked Brooks well if the pass is thrown on time but because Brees has wait for someone to get open, Brooks is able to loop all the way around for the sack fumble.
I can't say I know, but if that problem happens, it would affect the tackles as well.
And as you can see, the tackles have considerably better grades than the guards.
Posted by wayne5w
Austin, TX
Member since Aug 2014
404 posts
Posted on 11/13/14 at 9:11 pm to
quote:

I believe the issues at receiver is worse then the problems at guard. The line has been solid at run blocking. You would think the offense's success on the ground would pay huge dividends with play action but it's not because receivers aren't consistently getting open.


Interesting point. On that last play the WRs were all covered so Drew was going to his relief valve, Cadet. Problem is Cadet tripped on the LB just as Drew was going to unload, so Drew pulled it back and then got hit from behind by Brooks. I still think Armstead wiffed bad on the block, but Drew did have ~3 secs to at least get a pass off to a short route.

I am starting to think Colston is our biggest issue at WR. You can't have your #1 WR playing like a backup.
Posted by Sid in Lakeshore
Member since Oct 2008
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Posted on 11/13/14 at 9:11 pm to
Tyron Walker needs more playing time.

Kenny Vacaro needs more practice.
Posted by Hoodoo Man
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Posted on 11/13/14 at 9:14 pm to
Another thing, I bet Byrd would be balling right now.
Ryan made him useless at the beginning of the season.
Posted by BigBrod81
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Posted on 11/13/14 at 9:14 pm to
quote:

I can't say I know, but if that problem happens, it would affect the tackles as well.
And as you can see, the tackles have considerably better grades than the guards.


Both Evans & Grubbs were really terrible early in the season which is why their scores are so terrible. They haven't been as bad of late. Armstead & Strief have been phenomenal all season long.
Posted by Hoodoo Man
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Posted on 11/13/14 at 9:16 pm to
quote:

I am starting to think Colston is our biggest issue at WR. You can't have your #1 WR playing like a backup.

I know he's an LSU guy, but I would have KILLED to have Jarvis Landry on our team.

I'm convinced he's gonna be an absolute beast in the NFL.
And he plays taller than he is.
Posted by BigBrod81
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Posted on 11/13/14 at 9:18 pm to
quote:

I am starting to think Colston is our biggest issue at WR.


You can throw Meachem in there as well even though he was inactive with an ankle Sunday. Poor receiver play is handcuffing the passing game big time.
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