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Pregant and not planning an abortion? The anti-womenists are after you, too.

Posted on 11/9/14 at 2:47 am
Posted by SpidermanTUba
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Posted on 11/9/14 at 2:47 am
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In Louisiana, a woman who went to the hospital for unexplained vaginal bleeding was locked up for over a year on charges of second-degree murder before medical records revealed she had suffered a miscarriage at 11 to 15 weeks of pregnancy.
Posted by HailHailtoMichigan!
Mission Viejo, CA
Member since Mar 2012
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Posted on 11/9/14 at 2:54 am to
How is this specifically anti women? Why must every fricking thing be a social justice campaign for you people? Why can't you just accept it as a shirty decision on the part of the LA officials?

Jesus Christ, you people literally make up social movements every day.
Posted by SpidermanTUba
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Posted on 11/9/14 at 2:58 am to
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How is this specifically anti women?


last time i check men are physically incapable of even becoming pregnant.

So there's that.

Posted by ZZTIGERS
Member since Dec 2007
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Posted on 11/9/14 at 3:05 am to
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last time i check men are physically incapable of even becoming pregnant.


Arnold Schwarzenegger debunked this in 1994, FWIW.
Posted by Sentrius
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Posted on 11/9/14 at 3:10 am to
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How does this play out? Based on the belief that he had an obligation to give a fetus a chance for life, a judge in Washington, D.C., ordered a critically ill 27-year-old woman who was 26 weeks pregnant to undergo a cesarean section, which he understood might kill her. Neither the woman nor her baby survived.

In Iowa, a pregnant woman who fell down a flight of stairs was reported to the police after seeking help at a hospital. She was arrested for “attempted fetal homicide.”

In Utah, a woman gave birth to twins; one was stillborn. Health care providers believed that the stillbirth was the result of the woman’s decision to delay having a cesarean. She was arrested on charges of fetal homicide.

In Louisiana, a woman who went to the hospital for unexplained vaginal bleeding was locked up for over a year on charges of second-degree murder before medical records revealed she had suffered a miscarriage at 11 to 15 weeks of pregnancy.

Florida has had a number of such cases. In one, a woman was held prisoner at a hospital to prevent her from going home while she appeared to be experiencing a miscarriage. She was forced to undergo a cesarean. Neither the detention nor the surgery prevented the pregnancy loss, but they did keep this mother from caring for her two small children at home. While a state court later found the detention unlawful, the opinion suggested that if the hospital had taken her prisoner later in her pregnancy, its actions might have been permissible.

In another case, a woman who had been in labor at home was picked up by a sheriff, strapped down in the back of an ambulance, taken to a hospital, and forced to have a cesarean she did not want. When this mother later protested what had happened, a court concluded that the woman’s personal constitutional rights “clearly did not outweigh the interests of the State of Florida in preserving the life of the unborn child.”


All these references to several incidents and only the writers side of the story in those cases are in the opinion piece..... Not even a link or cite of news articles on the incidents......

Hmmmm, color me skeptical.
Posted by Markie812
Louisiana
Member since Nov 2007
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Posted on 11/9/14 at 3:13 am to
Can you not find any actual details of the situation instead of relying on a sentence from a NYT op-ed piece?
Posted by WildcatMike
Lexington, KY
Member since Dec 2005
41560 posts
Posted on 11/9/14 at 7:36 am to
Did this women's behavior cause the miscarriage? Like drug use.
Posted by lsuroadie
South LA
Member since Oct 2007
8399 posts
Posted on 11/9/14 at 7:48 am to
i'm sure there's NNOOOOOOOOOO back story to this one.




None. whatsoever.
Posted by catholictigerfan
Member since Oct 2009
56011 posts
Posted on 11/9/14 at 8:10 am to
a couple things

sometimes people make bad decisions in courts, that doesn't mean what happened here means the GOP is evil when it comes to abortions.

This opinion article is very bias. We don't know the backstory to many of these stories

I think the most important thing this shows is that there is a value people put on the life of a fetus. Neglecting your body when pregnant is a serious issue.

It's just like the double standard that exists in California and i think other states as well.

Murder a women who is pregnant it is double homicide

Use instruments to go inside the women and kill the fetus in her womb, completely legal, and sometimes funded by the state.

In one instance the fetus is a living human being deserving of rights if you kill a women who is pregnant they also say you killed the fetus inside and call it murder. But if you purposefully kill the fetus and no the mother it is not homicide. that is logically inconsistent.
This post was edited on 11/9/14 at 8:14 am
Posted by LSUMJ
BR
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Posted on 11/9/14 at 8:53 am to
Seems like the ones wanting to kill millions would be the anti womenists
Posted by Homesick Tiger
Greenbrier, AR
Member since Nov 2006
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Posted on 11/9/14 at 9:01 am to
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In one instance the fetus is a living human being deserving of rights if you kill a women who is pregnant they also say you killed the fetus inside and call it murder. But if you purposefully kill the fetus and no the mother it is not homicide. that is logically inconsistent.


I'm with you. I've bitched about this for a long time. We're always told that it's after a certain time in a pregnancy that this is enforceable.

I got a question for those that agree with my previous sentence. If a person is found destroying a house that is only one fourth built, half built or three quarters built, is he still charged with destroying private property?
Posted by Bestbank Tiger
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Member since Jan 2005
71151 posts
Posted on 11/9/14 at 9:06 am to
IF this is accurate (which is an open question), it's a shameful example of government dictating the healthcare choices of citizens. If TUba believes that's wrong, all I can say is "Welcome to the dark side!"

Posted by L.A.
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Member since Aug 2003
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Posted on 11/9/14 at 9:10 am to
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In Louisiana, a woman who went to the hospital for unexplained vaginal bleeding was locked up for over a year on charges of second-degree murder before medical records revealed she had suffered a miscarriage at 11 to 15 weeks of pregnancy.
I call bullshite.

It's an opinion piece written by two HIGHLY biased feminists. No evidence or background is presented in the op-ed.

What's this the name of this "Louisiana woman"? Why was she charged with 2nd degree murder? Where was she held when she was "locked up for over a year?" Do you seriously believe that every woman who goes to her doctor with unexplained vaginal bleeding ends up being charged with murder? If not, why was THIS woman "locked up?"

Posted by Bestbank Tiger
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Member since Jan 2005
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Posted on 11/9/14 at 9:17 am to
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I call bull shite.

It's an opinion piece written by two HIGHLY biased feminists. No evidence or background is presented in the op-ed.

What's this the name of this "Louisiana woman"? Why was she charged with 2nd degree murder? Where was she held when she was "locked up for over a year?" Do you seriously believe that every woman who goes to her doctor with unexplained vaginal bleeding ends up being charged with murder? If not, why was THIS woman "locked up?"


I kige this. It should have been all over the local news here if true.

It almost sounds like the source is one of those chain emails or Facebook posts people forward without validating.

I can see a second degree murder charge if she gave birth to a live baby and killed it, but I don't see any remotely competent doctor mistaking a first-trimester miscarriage for a full term delivery.

Posted by L.A.
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Member since Aug 2003
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Posted on 11/9/14 at 9:22 am to
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It almost sounds like the source is one of those chain emails or Facebook posts people forward without validating.
I googled it. All that shows up is Facebook links.
Posted by onmymedicalgrind
Nunya
Member since Dec 2012
10590 posts
Posted on 11/9/14 at 9:25 am to
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If not, why was THIS woman "locked up?"

Yea OP left out some important deets:
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In Louisiana, Michelle Marie Greenup, a twenty-six-year-old African American woman, went to a hospital complaining of bleeding and stomach pain. Doctors suspected that she had recently given birth and contacted law enforcement authorities.

After repeated police interrogations, Greenup “confessed” that the baby was born alive and it died because she had failed to provide it with proper care.

Greenup was charged with second-degree murder and incarcerated. Eventually counsel for Greenup obtained her medical records, which revealed that the fetus could not have been older than between eleven to fifteen weeks and that prior to the miscarriage Greenup had been given Depo-Provera, a contraceptive injection that may cause a miscarriage if administered to a woman who is already pregnant.

Greenup was finally released, but only after she agreed to plead guilty to a misdemeanor violation of a public health law that regulates disposal of human remains. There is no indication that the human remains law was intended to apply to pregnant women confronted with a miscarriage.16
Posted by Homesick Tiger
Greenbrier, AR
Member since Nov 2006
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Posted on 11/9/14 at 9:31 am to
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onmymedicalgrind


Thank you. Spidey has a long history of coming in here and taking a shite only not to stick around and wipe his arse afterwards.
This post was edited on 11/9/14 at 9:33 am
Posted by Bestbank Tiger
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Member since Jan 2005
71151 posts
Posted on 11/9/14 at 9:31 am to
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Yea OP left out some important deets:


Thank you

Sounds like the real issue on this one isn't a concerted effort to pick on women--it's an example of a police interrogation producing a false confession which happens more often than a lot of people would like to admit.

quote:

Greenup “confessed” that the baby was born alive and it died because she had failed to provide it with proper care.


If this had really happened, murder would have been the appropriate charge.

quote:

prior to the miscarriage Greenup had been given Depo-Provera, a contraceptive injection that may cause a miscarriage if administered to a woman who is already pregnant.


You would know better than I would so I won't be offended if you correct me, but this sounds like malpractice. How hard is it to administer a pregnancy test before administering Depo? That sounds like it could be extremely dangerous for the patient.
Posted by L.A.
The Mojave Desert
Member since Aug 2003
61309 posts
Posted on 11/9/14 at 9:34 am to
Thanks for the info OMG. Something about the OP didn't add up.

A question about the Depo-Provera. If she got that injection knowing she was pregnant, would that be against the law? Or would that be a legal form of abortion? What I'm wondering is if she got the injection with the intent of aborting the fetus.
Posted by ShortyRob
Member since Oct 2008
82116 posts
Posted on 11/9/14 at 9:36 am to
LOL. This thread blew up as OP bull shite. ST is such an idiot
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