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Where to invest about $9K?
Posted on 11/6/14 at 2:47 pm
Posted on 11/6/14 at 2:47 pm
I've got ~$9K in a brokerage account with BALCX (American Funds), which has a performance of 6.5% YTD at a 1.4% expense ratio (If I looked it up correctly). The primary intent of this fund was an extra place to put some college saving money away for the kids (~12 yrs away from needing to pull from it).
Is there something better I should be doing with this?
Is there something better I should be doing with this?
Posted on 11/6/14 at 2:54 pm to meeple
Mixed stock/bond fund with Vanguard, Wellington for example
Posted on 11/6/14 at 3:06 pm to jimbeam
Looks more appealing, thanks.
What would be the difference in putting it in this, versus VTSMX or another Vanguard index fund?
What would be the difference in putting it in this, versus VTSMX or another Vanguard index fund?
Posted on 11/6/14 at 3:10 pm to meeple
It hasn't done terribly. One of the worst things you can do is try to change lanes without any information. It is like sitting in traffic on the interstate. You get in another lane because it is moving a little bit then the lane you were in starts moving. I say all that to say I doubt you are going to get great insight into a new fund or the one you are in here. Trade-able insight. Someone might tell you a fund they are in but that isn't really much.
Unless you are given some great insight into a new fund or the fund you are in then you should stay put. 6.5% isn't OT money but it is decent. I wouldn't focus on fees too much. That is the big thing these days. Focus on your return which is 6.5%. If you are happy with your return then you shouldn't worry about the fees.
Unless you are given some great insight into a new fund or the fund you are in then you should stay put. 6.5% isn't OT money but it is decent. I wouldn't focus on fees too much. That is the big thing these days. Focus on your return which is 6.5%. If you are happy with your return then you shouldn't worry about the fees.
Posted on 11/6/14 at 7:19 pm to meeple
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What would be the difference in putting it in this, versus VTSMX or another Vanguard index fund?
Since Wellington holds 40% bonds, it won't be as bumpy as VTSMX, which is 100% stocks. College money will be needed at a specific time, so you can't really afford to be very far down in 12 years. The relative returns for each will vary depending on market conditions, which are impossible to predict.
Maybe go 50% VWELX and 50% VTSMX. I love both of these funds.
Posted on 11/6/14 at 10:48 pm to lsu13lsu
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I wouldn't focus on fees too much. That is the big thing these days. Focus on your return which is 6.5%. If you are happy with your return then you shouldn't worry about the fees.
You can't be serious. 1.4% is an awfully significant fee for a fund that has returned 6.5% annually. You see that kind of return with most broad market index funds that have fees in the low decimals (.1% and .05%). 1.4% over the course of 20-30 years is a HUUUUGE amount! You should absolutely pay attention to fees.
Posted on 11/7/14 at 6:22 am to rintintin
You do realize that 6.5% is net of fees right?
Posted on 11/7/14 at 6:35 am to Janky
Doesn't matter. If I'm paying someone that much, they better be knocking the cover off of the ball.
Posted on 11/7/14 at 6:42 am to TheHiddenFlask
So, hypothetically speaking you would rather own a fund that returned 6% with a .04 ER than a fund that returned 7% with a 1% ER?
Posted on 11/7/14 at 7:09 am to Janky
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o, hypothetically speaking you would rather own a fund that returned 6% with a .04 ER than a fund that returned 7% with a 1% ER?
Past performance does not determine future performance. The only variable that you can predict with 100% accuracy and have complete control over is how much in fees you're willing to pay, and it is only logical to use this variable to your advantage and look for the lowest possible fees. 1.4% is a large amount, and 7% return really isn't anything special if you're looking over the past 5 years (he never said how long he's held this fund, if it's a longer time horizon than its a bit more impressive).
This post was edited on 11/7/14 at 7:13 am
Posted on 11/7/14 at 7:12 am to Janky
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You do realize that 6.5% is net of fees right?
I hate to be agreeing with Janky on anything, but BALCX isn't terrible. Fees for all these types of funds are high overall. This funds expenses are actually relatively low compared to peers. Return after expenses is all that matters anyway.
I do think others advice to get in a Vanguard or other cheap ETF is a better idea though for long term investing.
for Rin
Total Return % (11/06/2014)YTD 1-Year 3-Year 5-Year 10-Year 15-Year
BALCX 6.75 9.95 13.48 11.66 6.27 6.84
ETA; fixed link
This post was edited on 11/7/14 at 7:54 am
Posted on 11/7/14 at 7:27 am to rintintin
No, past performance does not guarantee future performance but that is irrelevant for this argument. The return numbers are hypothetical. Again, If one fund says it returns 6% and the other says it returns 7%. The one with 7% returns will give you more money at the end of the day regardless of what fees are charged. Net means net.
Posted on 11/7/14 at 7:30 am to Ole War Skule
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I hate to be agreeing with Janky on anything
. Even a broken clock is right twice a day.
Posted on 11/7/14 at 7:51 am to Janky
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This post was edited on 11/18/15 at 5:58 am
Posted on 11/7/14 at 7:55 am to Janky
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. Even a broken clock is right twice a day.
so you're thinking I've got one more today? I better make it count..think I'll buy some UNG puts
Posted on 11/7/14 at 8:21 am to Janky
I think we've become misconstrued. I wasn't speaking hypothetically. If we are talking in hypotheticals then yes, you're premise is correct, net is net, and 7% is more than 6%. Hypothetically, I'd rather a fund that returns 20% with a 5% fee, than one that returns 10% with a .01% fee.
But, this thread isn't a hypothetical, it's real life and he's asking real advice. Saying not to worry about fees simply because the return has been decent in the past is ill advised IMO, because of what I stated above. You can't determine future performance by looking at past performance, therefore using the only variable you have control over (fees) to your advantage is in your best interest logically speaking.
But, this thread isn't a hypothetical, it's real life and he's asking real advice. Saying not to worry about fees simply because the return has been decent in the past is ill advised IMO, because of what I stated above. You can't determine future performance by looking at past performance, therefore using the only variable you have control over (fees) to your advantage is in your best interest logically speaking.
This post was edited on 11/7/14 at 8:22 am
Posted on 11/7/14 at 8:22 am to rintintin
quote:It's been sitting in BALCX for about 2 years.
he never said how long he's held this fund
Posted on 11/7/14 at 8:25 am to meeple
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t's been sitting in BALCX for about 2 years.
Well that helps my argument even more, because that is not a very good return for these past 2 years and charging you 1.4% for that is almost theft.
Posted on 11/7/14 at 8:28 am to rintintin
Well, since we have not had a comparable fund mentioned to compare it to then hypothetical is all we got.
What criteria do you use to evaluate a fund?
What criteria do you use to evaluate a fund?
Posted on 11/7/14 at 8:33 am to rintintin
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Well that helps my argument even more, because that is not a very good return for these past 2 years and charging you 1.4% for that is almost theft.
Seriously, WTF are you talking about? A balance fund that is up 30% over the lasty two years is pretty darn good.
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