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Posted on 12/8/14 at 10:22 am to AlxTgr
Yeah, really. You just don't have the mental acumen. If Cooper adjusts prior events from a now non-existent time line due the adjustment, it makes perfect sense.
Posted on 12/8/14 at 10:23 am to rebeloke
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You just don't have the mental acumen.
quote:lulz
If Cooper adjusts prior events from a now non-existent time line due the adjustment, it makes perfect sense.
Posted on 12/8/14 at 10:24 am to AlxTgr
Do you even science fiction bro?
Posted on 12/8/14 at 10:41 am to rebeloke
I can suspend disbelief with the best of them.
Posted on 12/8/14 at 12:16 pm to AlxTgr
If T=time sequence and X=actions of charcters Y=actions of The Others Z=outcome
T(alpha)+X(alpha)+Y(alpha)=Z(alpha)
Interstellar has some things going for that Terminator does not. I do not think you can fix the fact that John Connor's dad is from the future but was sent by him to save himself from the "Terminator."
Now your problem with Interstellar is that Cooper's future self sends his past self a message that causes him to go on a mission that would have never happened in the first place. I get that.
Think Murphey's Law.
Whatever can happen will happen.
Cooper went on his first mission while on a different timeline. His future self changed the timeline in the terresac. In the terresac Cooper has access to every point in time in Murphey's bedroom. He choose to go back to a point earlier that his first mission and send the coordinates for NASA in order to create a new time line. The adjusted sequence seems to create a paradox but it is not due to an alternate timeline that made the movie possible in the first place. The clue is the emphasis on Murphey's Law.
T(alpha)+X(alpha)+Y(alpha)=Z(alpha)
Interstellar has some things going for that Terminator does not. I do not think you can fix the fact that John Connor's dad is from the future but was sent by him to save himself from the "Terminator."
Now your problem with Interstellar is that Cooper's future self sends his past self a message that causes him to go on a mission that would have never happened in the first place. I get that.
Think Murphey's Law.
Whatever can happen will happen.
Cooper went on his first mission while on a different timeline. His future self changed the timeline in the terresac. In the terresac Cooper has access to every point in time in Murphey's bedroom. He choose to go back to a point earlier that his first mission and send the coordinates for NASA in order to create a new time line. The adjusted sequence seems to create a paradox but it is not due to an alternate timeline that made the movie possible in the first place. The clue is the emphasis on Murphey's Law.
This post was edited on 12/8/14 at 1:09 pm
Posted on 12/8/14 at 12:23 pm to rebeloke
Are you guys still in here bitching about black holes and time travel?
Is this movie still in theaters? I feel like I saw it forever ago lol
Is this movie still in theaters? I feel like I saw it forever ago lol
Posted on 12/8/14 at 12:25 pm to rebeloke
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The clue is the
Dammit
Posted on 12/8/14 at 1:08 pm to RidiculousHype
Sorry bro. The clue is Murphey's Law.
Posted on 12/8/14 at 1:36 pm to rebeloke
quote:Sure you can. They become 5th dimensional after the defeat of the machines.
I do not think you can fix the fact that John Connor's dad is from the future but was sent by him to save himself from the "Terminator."
quote:Yeah, there's a problem with that. Well, more than 1 actually. Especially since Murphy's adage is about failure.
Think Murphey's Law.
Whatever can happen will happen.
quote:He can never get to the tesseract. Oh, and the tesseract was never built.
His future self changed the timeline in the terresac. In the terresac Cooper has access to every point in time in Murphey's bedroom.
quote:Write more on this.
The clue is the emphasis on Murphey's Law.
Posted on 12/8/14 at 2:04 pm to AlxTgr
Murphey's Law is defined as not whatever can go wrong will go wrong but as whatever can happen will happen. Oh, that is kind if a big deal you should have caught because Murphey specificly asked Cooper why they named her after something bad.
You are stuck on a linear timeline. The terresac was built in the future on a different timeline because Cooper communicated through it. The Others opened the wormhole 50 years prior to the beginning of the movie. We do not know for sure what happened in the alternative future where Cooper communicates with Murphey to begin with because it is never realized due to Cooper entering the Terresac and going further back to change the timeline so mankind on earth could survive.
So a bootstrap paradox eliminates the illogical. The logical conclusion is that Cooper at a later point goes on a mission and has to go into the blackhole probably in a similar way as the movie but he was approached by NASA later than the movies timeline. The problem is that it is too late for humanity. Murphey would have been older and may not be in the right frame of mind to be of assistance. Cooper enters the terresac and goes to the point in the original timeline where he can reach Murph because she is necessary for the survival of mankind on earth and abroad. In the movie's timeline Cooper realizes they didn't choose him but Murphey. Murphey Law suggests that what ever can happen will happen. Because the terresac gave Cooper access to alter the course of history, he did. Why? Because mankind was born on Earth but was not meant to die there. Murphey's Law sees to it that it does not.
You are stuck on a linear timeline. The terresac was built in the future on a different timeline because Cooper communicated through it. The Others opened the wormhole 50 years prior to the beginning of the movie. We do not know for sure what happened in the alternative future where Cooper communicates with Murphey to begin with because it is never realized due to Cooper entering the Terresac and going further back to change the timeline so mankind on earth could survive.
So a bootstrap paradox eliminates the illogical. The logical conclusion is that Cooper at a later point goes on a mission and has to go into the blackhole probably in a similar way as the movie but he was approached by NASA later than the movies timeline. The problem is that it is too late for humanity. Murphey would have been older and may not be in the right frame of mind to be of assistance. Cooper enters the terresac and goes to the point in the original timeline where he can reach Murph because she is necessary for the survival of mankind on earth and abroad. In the movie's timeline Cooper realizes they didn't choose him but Murphey. Murphey Law suggests that what ever can happen will happen. Because the terresac gave Cooper access to alter the course of history, he did. Why? Because mankind was born on Earth but was not meant to die there. Murphey's Law sees to it that it does not.
Posted on 12/8/14 at 3:06 pm to rebeloke
quote:That was cute and all, but nothing more.
Murphey's Law is defined as not whatever can go wrong will go wrong but as whatever can happen will happen. Oh, that is kind if a big deal you should have caught because Murphey specificly asked Cooper why they named her after something bad.
quote:It's not a law, it's not spelled that way, and it's not phrased that way. Are you really using this to support the "science"?
Murphey Law suggests that what ever can happen will happen.
None of the rest makes any sense at all, so I'll leave it alone for now.
Posted on 12/8/14 at 3:37 pm to AlxTgr
So the fact that he Bran talked about the fact that Murphey's Law had an impact on whether life developed in a system that was near Gargantuan makes it scientific baw. Because a system was so close to a black hole it made life impossible. Why? Murphey's Law. Not enough things could happen to make life possible. BTW, you think I give two shites how to spell Murphey's Law or that whether I do makes a damn bit of difference? Factoid, you lack the mentality to conceptualize a non-linear timeline. Sucks to be you.
Posted on 12/8/14 at 3:55 pm to rebeloke
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Murphey's Law is defined as not whatever can go wrong will go wrong but as whatever can happen will happen.
As Murphy's law is an adage, you'd be hard pressed to see it formulary defined as any one thing.
And what you do find.....isn't that.
Unless you are suggesting of course that the movie is also some alternate timeline
where the meaning of words are slightly different.
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So the fact that he Bran talked about the fact that Murphey's Law had an impact on whether life developed in a system that was near Gargantuan makes it scientific baw
Yeah....ummmm
Might want to read up on what a scientific law is.
On a related note....she was wrong btw.
Black holes aren't cosmic vaccum cleaners sucking up all of the comets and asteroids.
And in fact, you can expect more bombardment as you get closer. (And Nolan knew this FWIW)
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Posted on 12/8/14 at 4:02 pm to Volvagia
The movie defines Murphey's Law. Cooper and Murphey talk about her being named after the law. She asks him why he named her after it? He said Murphey's Law doesn't mean if it can go wrong it will, he said it means whatever can happen will happen and he said that sounded okay to him. Also Cooper and Bran talked about the fact that the water planet didn't have life because it was so close to black hole and with Murphey's Law not enough things could happen to create life. Jesus, it is like you guys didn't even watch this movie. Go watch the movie again and get back to me.
Posted on 12/8/14 at 4:04 pm to 0jersey
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Beings in the future, even separate beings, could have easily placed the wormhole and built the tesseract once we were ready for the next step of human evolution. But they needed us to make the step and save ourselves. They placed MM in a specific tesseract for him so that we could communicate w ourselves. He says as much in the film. So the others gave us a framework with which to help ourselves, but we had to figure out how and when. Therefore, humanity has saved itself.
The flaw of the movie - which I liked nonetheless - was its recognition of a superior "They" who could control time (c. f. - the tesseract) and space (cf - the wormhole) but who did not also use those powers to communicate an informative, logical, timely, easily understood message for "us" to save ourselves. I mean, as one example, why the 12 possible inhabitable planets? Just point "Us" to the RIGHT ONE and not play hide the ball. I still don't understand why the only means of getting "Us" this human-life-saving information is the happenstance of someone looking carefully at the second hands of an heirloom watch.
Posted on 12/8/14 at 4:10 pm to rebeloke
quote:Wow
So the fact that he Bran talked about the fact that Murphey's Law had an impact on whether life developed in a system that was near Gargantuan makes it scientific baw.
quote:Whiskey?
Because a system was so close to a black hole it made life impossible. Why? Murphey's Law. Not enough things could happen to make life possible.
quote:You are so confused.
Factoid, you lack the mentality to conceptualize a non-linear timeline. Sucks to be you.
Posted on 12/8/14 at 4:13 pm to rebeloke
We saw the movie.
What was said here is that particular spin of the meaning of Murphy's law is unique, not some high brow insight into a misconception
What was said here is that particular spin of the meaning of Murphy's law is unique, not some high brow insight into a misconception
Posted on 12/8/14 at 4:18 pm to Eternally Undefeated
If you take the movies premise it was communicating with us. Cooper uses gravity to reach Murphey and invariably himself. You cannot assume they didn't do more to steer us in the right direction. We just are not privileged to those commications.
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