re: The official Interstellar thread (spoilers)

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Brace yourself. There are some people on here who are flat out offended by the notion that the wormhole could be closed. You just made somebody cry.

I'm down.

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So here is how i would rationalize the ending given the fact that Jon N said "the wormhole is closed". There must be other wormholes out there that Cooper has to explore to find. Thats the difficult part of his tasks is going out to seek out other wormholes and hoping they will bring him to Brands planet. I think its possible that since he is bringing the TARS back with him and they were in the vicinity of Brands planet that they know their desination by record of that previous travel, they just need to find a feasible path to get there.

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But they surely would have been able to detect any wormholes within range like they did with Saturn. Really this just makes closing the original wormhole pointless. If there was another wormhole around say Neptune, what's the point in closing the one by Saturn?

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1) we see the tesseract disintegratin

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More linked to the black hole and the 5th dimensional humans directly constructed that for Cooper.

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2) Brand would have surely been discovered by then

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Sling shooting around the black hole caused time dilation for her as well. She just arrived on the planet when Cooper was discovered near Saturn.

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But I also cant believe that Murph and Cooper would be Ok with him setting off on that journey if they knew there was no way he could possibly succeed i.e. if there were no more wormholes and he could never come close to reaching the galaxy Brand was in.

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This is what pisses me off about that interpretation. To put this in relative terms, if the sun was the size of the tip of a ballpoint pen, then the closest star to us would be 9 miles away. Since Proxima Centauri is 4.22 light years away, doing the math that would put the Milky Way Galaxy relatively at 255,000 miles in diameter, which is more distance than is between Earth and the Moon. On this scale, Andromeda Galaxy would be 10.5 million miles away from us, and that's the closest galaxy to us, and it's one of an estimated hundred billion galaxies that are all ridiculously spread out, to the point of the universe at this scale being much larger than our own galaxy on actual scale.

Unless the 5th dimensional beings spontaneously produced another wormhole solely for Cooper, then there's no way he will ever find Brand. And even if they did this, then this really destroys the film as I see it. If the wormhole is gone, then Murph on her deathbed really told her father to go kill himself. It is an absolute impossibility he finds her without that wormhole. That completely changes the context of the film as a whole to the point of it being unacceptable.

And thanks anonymous pussies for the downvotes in advance.

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But why then were the shuttles there to pick up Cooper if they weren't studying the wormhole?

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Why study it if they've already gone through it? They went there because that's where the wormhole use to be, IMO. They thought it might reappear. They were waiting for it.

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Why study it if they've already gone through it? They went there because that's where the wormhole use to be, IMO. They thought it might reappear. They were waiting for it.

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Answer this: if the wormhole was closed, how did Murph expect her father to find Brand?

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I think you have valid concern. IMO, if there is a way, he's the best man to find it. I know this is a hard concept for you to grasp, but it isn't for me. That's just my opinion. It doesn't always have to be wrapped up in a perfect package for me.

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But it's an impossibility. I think I just put the universe in a size comparison you can understand. The only way he finds her is if the wormhole shows back up in our solar system. But that still doesn't really change the fact that both her and her father understand the vastness of the cosmos, and telling her father to go find and comfort Brand is the absolute definition of a suicide mission if the wormhole is gone. If that is the case, she knowingly sent him to his death, and he knew it as well. In other words, she told him to go kill himself. It really changes the entire context of the movie to a point that I don't think anyone should be willing to accept.

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It's not a stretch for me that 1)Murph wants her dad to explore and 2)Cooper wants to explore. That's really all I need to know about it.

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Murph doesn't want her dad to explore, she wants her dad to go to Dr. Brand, who is currently residing on a planet that is in another galaxy. The Andromeda Galaxy, our closest galactic neighbor, is 2.5 million light years distant from our own Milky Way. Assuming that ship has the ability to travel at the speed of light (which it does not), it would take Cooper 2.5 million years just to reach Andromeda. But there's no guarantee that Brand resides within the Andromeda Galaxy and, even if she does, the Andromeda Galaxy is larger than our own Milky Way. It's impossible to find her using the means he has available if the wormhole is closed. So basically what Murph told her dad to do was drop dead. Because that's what's going to happen to him.

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Yea, I think she wants him to explore.

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Old Murph: No parent should have to watch their children die. You should go.

Cooper: Where?

Old Murph: Brand. (launches into a monologue about how important it is for Cooper to get to her)

Cooper promptly goes off.....exploring. Yeah. That makes sense.

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. I really have nothing else to say.

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