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re: Kaci Hickox (Ebola nurse) is a real piece of work
Posted on 10/29/14 at 5:43 pm to RollTide1987
Posted on 10/29/14 at 5:43 pm to RollTide1987
quote:so lock someone up who has no symptoms and isn't contagious, got it hoss!
It can take up to 21 days for those symptoms to start showing there, chief.
This post was edited on 10/29/14 at 5:45 pm
Posted on 10/29/14 at 5:46 pm to CAD703X
quote:who will take care of sick patients if we're going to do this in every instance where dozens of health care workers take care of very contagious patients of all kinda of diseases?
so if she begins to dvelop symptoms in the middle of a movie and coughs on the people in front of her and smears her ebola-ness on the bathroom stall handles & faucets, that's okey dokey?
Posted on 10/29/14 at 5:46 pm to shel311
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were you saying every person in Dallas who treated the ebola patient should be quarantined? I don't recall seeing anyone really saying that, so what's the difference?
I wasn't saying that, but I see no problem with it. Again, I don't understand why someone wouldn't want to do this. It's common sense.
Posted on 10/29/14 at 5:47 pm to Al Dante
quote:think about how many health care workers care for Super contagious patients every day in America, it's suddenly not as much "common sense" as you'd think.
It's common sense
Posted on 10/29/14 at 5:48 pm to shel311
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so lock someone up who has no symptoms and isn't contagious, got it hoss!
Not locking them up, but insisting they stay home and not come into contact with anyone for 21 days.
Posted on 10/29/14 at 5:49 pm to CAD703X
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so if she begins to dvelop symptoms in the middle of a movie and coughs on the people in front of her and smears her ebola-ness on the bathroom stall handles & faucets, that's okey dokey?
Oh, that's the problem. You think someone with ebola goes from perfectly healthy to a zombie that spits poison in a matter of seconds like some kind of horror movie. Well, it doesn't work like that. She would start feeling bad and running a fever before she was a risk to infect anyone.
Posted on 10/29/14 at 5:50 pm to shel311
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think about how many health care workers care for Super contagious patients every day in America, it's suddenly not as much "common sense" as you'd think.
If they care for dozens of ebola patients shitting and vomiting on them in the final stages I think it's common sense.
Posted on 10/29/14 at 5:50 pm to Broke
Someone should remind her that Mister Spock would say, "The needs of the many outweigh the needs of the one."
Posted on 10/29/14 at 5:50 pm to Al Dante
quote:Why just her and not the other millions of health care workers?
Not locking them up, but insisting they stay home and not come into contact with anyone for 21 days.
Posted on 10/29/14 at 5:51 pm to Al Dante
quote:so ebola is the only contagious disease out there?
If they care for dozens of ebola patients shitting and vomiting on them in the final stages I think it's common sense.
Why ignore the others?
Posted on 10/29/14 at 5:56 pm to shel311
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Why just her and not the other millions of health care workers?
Because ebola has a 50% to 70% death rate and does not have a toehold in this country. Common sense quarantine of 3 weeks for those treating patients at their most contagious would prevent a massive tax on our health care system if it ever took hold.
I still don't understand why anyone wouldn't voluntarily quarantine themselves.
Posted on 10/29/14 at 5:57 pm to Champagne
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Someone should remind her that Mister Spock would say, "The needs of the many outweigh the needs of the one."
Well, I was always more of a TNG, but I seem to remember that Spock usually advocated for logic, not locking people up on the whim of a few ignorant fear mongers.
Posted on 10/29/14 at 5:57 pm to Al Dante
quote:if there's ever a larger outbreak, good luck finding health care workers to take care of these patients.
Common sense quarantine of 3 weeks for those treating patients at their most contagious would prevent a massive tax on our health care system if it ever took hold.
Posted on 10/29/14 at 5:58 pm to Al Dante
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I still don't understand why anyone wouldn't voluntarily quarantine themselves.
Probably because they need to work to make money. Unless you are pitching in........
Posted on 10/29/14 at 5:58 pm to shel311
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so ebola is the only contagious disease out there?
Why ignore the others?
They aren't ignored.
Posted on 10/29/14 at 6:01 pm to Sid in Lakeshore
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Probably because they need to work to make money. Unless you are pitching in........
Maybe. I know if I had dozens of ebola patients shitting and vomiting on me for a month I'd go to work and no one should complain about it, because I gotta get paid.
Posted on 10/29/14 at 7:43 pm to Al Dante
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I don't believe you. You're telling me that if you had the choice to sit next to her or someone that didn't treat ebola patients for a month you would have no preference? You're lying and we all know it.
never said I had a preference, but I would feel fine sitting next to her. Unlike some posters, I have read the research and know enough about the virus to know how it spreads.
Will I drink after her? No
Will I kiss her or freak her? No, because she is fugly and that would be intimate contact and could possible spread it.
Will I ride in a car/plane/bus/etc with her? As long as she is asymptomatic.
Posted on 10/29/14 at 7:45 pm to CAD703X
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o they're not FORCING her to do anything..she's the one that said "i will not sit here and avoid people"
Chris Christie's fat arse and the state of NJ just held her for several days against her will when the all the medical professions said that was not needed and now the state of maine is trying to do so as well.
Posted on 10/29/14 at 7:48 pm to Al Dante
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I know if I had dozens of ebola patients shitting and vomiting on me for a month I'd go to work and no one should complain about it, because I gotta get paid.
yea, thats exactly what was happening when she was over there.
they were totes projectile vomiting and shitting all over her every day
This post was edited on 10/29/14 at 7:50 pm
Posted on 10/29/14 at 7:49 pm to CAD703X
quote:
so if she begins to dvelop symptoms in the middle of a movie and coughs on the people in front of her and smears her ebola-ness on the bathroom stall handles & faucets, that's okey dokey?
quote:
CAD703X
Jeebus freak dude. Read the linked NEJM one or two pages ago. It gives all the facts about why a quarantine is unneccessary. It even tells you that a fever is the first symptom and that a patient is NOT CONTAGIOUS UNTIL DAYS AFTER THE ONSET OF SYMPTOMS. Duncan's own family members lived in a small arse apartment for several days with a symptomatic ebola patient and did not catch it.
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Therefore, an asymptomatic health care worker returning from treating patients with Ebola, even if he or she were infected, would not be contagious. Furthermore, we now know that fever precedes the contagious stage, allowing workers who are unknowingly infected to identify themselves before they become a threat to their community. This understanding is based on more than clinical observation: the sensitive blood polymerase-chain-reaction (PCR) test for Ebola is often negative on the day when fever or other symptoms begin and only becomes reliably positive 2 to 3 days after symptom onset.
NEJM linked again since some of yall are too lazy to read
This post was edited on 10/29/14 at 7:52 pm
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