re: A Featured RB

I was just about to post this



we're in the playoffs right now...no room for error

if it works, why tinker? Ingram with 20+ carries is a proven winner the last 2 seasons. Ingram isn't an average RB, he's a stud RB being treated like an average one...and he's as good as gone anyway unless he's happy being marginalized here...we could sit him all season, he's still leaving to make more money and be given a better opportunity.

He's going to be studly in NY next season.

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I'd rather actually make the playoffs 1st before worrying about it.

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Did I suggest to do it at the expense of hurting playoff chances? Umm, nope. There is enough talent there to win with them all. It depends mostly on Payton's playcalling though.

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Did I suggest to do it at the expense of hurting playoff chances? Umm, nope.

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Umm, you said this:

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It's not that Ingram isn't the most talented RB and shouldn't be the lead dog. He is and he should be.

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Then this:

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and keep Ingram as fresh as possible for a playoff run with no bye week.

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I think that taking away carries from our most talented running back directly impacts our chances of winning games

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That is faulty logic on your part.

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How so? Where is the fault in my logic?

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. Notice how you omitted the part about how I said there is enough talent in Khiry and Pierre to get the job done.

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Actually, that isn't what you said. You said this:

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t's that if Payton is responsible with his playcalling, there is more than enough talent there in Khiry and Pierre to mix them in and keep Ingram as fresh as possible for a playoff run with no bye week.

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You said yourself that they aren't as talented as Ingram. No point in trying to keep a NFL running back in his contract year as fresh as possible when any hit could knock him out for an extended period of time

Your logic has been ridiculous. You're saying that giving the ball to less talented players to keep another one fresh won't impact our chances of winning/losing games. That is your argument...

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How so?

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let's just stop, the sig pic says it all

let's just hope payton sticks with the only thing that has worked in a fashion commensurate with our most successful seasons

I'd just like to take a moment to reflect on what Ingram has done in turning himself around to where we are arguing about why he is our best back and needs to be on the field more than any other back.

He's come along way from being traded for a can of Pringles.

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TigerBait1127

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I'm trying to slow things down as much as possible for you here.

I never said the talent gap was so great that mixing in Khiry and Pierre would be too detrimental to the team's chances. That was your inference and it was wrong. Therefore, basing your counter argument off that gave you faulty logic for your foundation.

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Fox Mulder

the job isn't done or not done. it's not delivering a letter to the post office.

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If you think Payton doesn't have a long range plan with the expectation/hope of making the playoffs, then I don't know what else to tell you.

Brees had his best game this year with a RB that played in 55/69 snaps (79.7%). It just so happens that RB also had the best game of his career.

We're not a lock for the playoffs right now and you guys want to go back to a RBBC to keep Ingram "fresh". Ingram getting more carries in game 1 and 2 could have been the difference between a win and a loss. We may never know, but we had the most decisive win this season with him being the #1 RB by a mile.

The other two wins we squeaked by
Minnesota: Khiry (30/72), PT (35/72)
Khiry's R/P: 19/5
PT's R/P: 8/18

Tampa Bay: Khiry (45/93), PT (31/93)
Khiry's R/P: 21/20
PT's R/P: 4/22

Green Bay: Ingram (55/69)
Ingram's R/P: 25/20

Ingram's other 3 games:
Game 1: 20/76; 13R/6P
Game 2: 20/72; 11R/8P
Game 6: 26/75; 11R/9P

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Are you able to not make completely out of touch inferences from what I am saying?

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How did giving the ball to the less talented backs in the Detroit game work? Should the Saints never throw the ball to Josh Hill or Ben Watson because they are less talented than Jimmy Graham?

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Well Robinson fumbled the ball...

Also,

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Are you able to not make completely out of touch inferences from what I am saying?

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b/c that might be the dumbest reach I've ever seen

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eah, mixing in Khiry and Pierre this past Sunday night would have caused the Saints to lose, right? You wouldn't have been in favor of using Khiry and Pierre then to help keep Ingram fresh

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I never said any of that actually. If Ingram needs to come off the field, he can come off the field. Ingram should get the majority of the snaps followed by PT in passing situations. Robinson should only play if Ingram needs a rest.

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especially considering the short turnaround to the Thursday night game?

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Absolutely zero impact on Sundays playcalling

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Well Robinson fumbled the ball...

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Yes, he did. What else (by Khiry and Pierre) in compared to Ingram's performance?

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b/c that might be the dumbest reach I've ever seen

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I don't know how to slow things down anymore for you to help you understand better.

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I never said any of that actually. If Ingram needs to come off the field, he can come off the field. Ingram should get the majority of the snaps followed by PT in passing situations. Robinson should only play if Ingram needs a rest.

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So you are basically agreeing now with how I said things should be? Have Ingram be the lead dog but mix in Pierre (perhaps mostly for passing situations) and Khiry (to spell Ingram and help keep him fresh)?

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Absolutely zero impact on Sundays playcalling

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If you think Payton wouldn't have loved to have had Khiry or Pierre to use in Sunday's game and not have to put so much workload on Ingram with the short turnaround, that's just ridiculous. Why would a head coach not think like that in such a situation?