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re: Boardwalk Empire Series Finale (Season 5, Ep 8 "Eldorado")
Posted on 10/27/14 at 7:59 pm to Hugo Stiglitz
Posted on 10/27/14 at 7:59 pm to Hugo Stiglitz
What happened to Nucky's nephew that the mob kidnapped? Did he get released?
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Posted on 10/27/14 at 8:18 pm to Twenty 49
They dropped him off at his office at the end of episode 7, after Eli and co killed Maranzano.
Posted on 10/27/14 at 8:46 pm to Twenty 49
Touching scene between Nuck and Eli. I guess the feds let him go on murdering a fed once Van Alden was murdered by a fed. 
Here is a side note about Tommy. You heard New York on 2 occasions talk about their guy on the "inside". It's obviously Tommy, so did New York search him out or vise versa. Everything about Tommy is thin because it's supose to be a suprise but we all knew he was the mysterious boy. There is nothing to help us undestand how Tommy found out about Jimmy or how this boy got to NJ from Wisconsin. I'm not surprised he killed Nuck but a little bit more context wouldn't hurt?
Here is a side note about Tommy. You heard New York on 2 occasions talk about their guy on the "inside". It's obviously Tommy, so did New York search him out or vise versa. Everything about Tommy is thin because it's supose to be a suprise but we all knew he was the mysterious boy. There is nothing to help us undestand how Tommy found out about Jimmy or how this boy got to NJ from Wisconsin. I'm not surprised he killed Nuck but a little bit more context wouldn't hurt?
This post was edited on 10/27/14 at 8:47 pm
Posted on 10/27/14 at 9:35 pm to TOKEN
Just finished and it was a great ending.To answer your question maybe ole Granma had been writing him letters like she wrote Nuck from the inside?
Posted on 10/28/14 at 6:46 am to BluegrassBelle
I already miss it 
Probably going to re-watch the whole series.
Probably going to re-watch the whole series.
Posted on 10/28/14 at 8:42 am to geauxtigahs87
great series and sad to see it go.
Maybe the Feds were on to Nucky's "insider trading"??? Thats my thoughts anyway.
Solid finale, although I would have liked to see more.
Maybe the Feds were on to Nucky's "insider trading"??? Thats my thoughts anyway.
Solid finale, although I would have liked to see more.
Posted on 10/28/14 at 8:53 am to SoDakHawk
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The scene made perfect sense. The series started with a store on the boardwalk touting this new invention, the radio. The world has moved on and times have changed and the television era is upon us. Nucky was a part of the old guard, the radio era. He was one of those who was a crooked part of the the political machine. From the half-gangnster theme a few seasons ago. Now the world had changed and he had been supplanted by a new regime of full out gangsters in Lucky & Meyer. Also, it was a look into the future, a future he would not be a part of. I thought it was excellent symbolism.
Damn. Great catch. I hardly remember stuff like this from early seasons.
Posted on 10/28/14 at 8:58 am to TopWaterTiger
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Maybe the Feds were on to Nucky's "insider trading"??? Thats my thoughts anyway.
No such laws against insider trading in those days. Like Margaret told Joe Kennedy "perfectly legal".
Posted on 10/28/14 at 9:08 am to PhiTiger1764
Posted on 10/28/14 at 11:44 am to tygeray
quote:that was really my favorite part of the finale. It was such a brilliant storytelling device there.
LINK Great call on time passing Nucky by.
I'm in the camp that doesn't like the idea of Tommy being the one to kill Nucky. I think it was uncharacteristically cliché. Plus Tommy should only be about 11. If they wanted to kill off Nucky, I
Would've preferred one of Eli's kids, maybe Eddie's, anyone he screwed over, stepped on, or belittled. Just something else.
Having it be Tommy Darmody just felt cheap and forced to me.
Posted on 10/28/14 at 12:17 pm to Jamohn
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that was really my favorite part of the finale. It was such a brilliant storytelling device there.
I'm in the camp that doesn't like the idea of Tommy being the one to kill Nucky. I think it was uncharacteristically cliché. Plus Tommy should only be about 11. If they wanted to kill off Nucky, I
Would've preferred one of Eli's kids, maybe Eddie's, anyone he screwed over, stepped on, or belittled. Just something else.
Having it be Tommy Darmody just felt cheap and forced to me.
For the record, I don't have a problem with Tommy being the shooter. Probably the only shooter that could have done it. Nucky survives his business dealing but it's his original, persoanl sin that brings him down. It brings the story full circle and it is appropriate that it is Jimmy's kid, Gillian's grandson, who did it. Nuck sealed his own fate when he handed Gillian over those many years ago.
My issues are, 1) continuity. Tommy shouldn't be old enough to do the deed. He needs to be a few years older for it to be believable. Going back and doing the math he would be at most 13 when he pulls the trigger. Not believable.
2) Motivation to pull the trigger. How would he even know the history of his family and Nucky? He was too young to remember anything his grandma might have told him when he was in her care at the Artemus Club. Granted , the kid witnessed some bloody murders, but Richard got him out of there. After that he was under Julia's care at a farm in Wisconsin. No way Julia would let Gillian near the kid or communicate with him. No way for Gillian to even find the kid. This wasn't modern day America with the internet and such. People could disappear and restart their lives under different identities. Tommy even admitted that when he remembered his grandma talk about Nucky he wasn't sure if she loved or hated him. Ok, so you're not sure Tommy, might as well kill him then. It makes no sense. Add in Richard giving his life so Tommy could live a different life, kind of a crappy thing to do to Richard & Jimmy, having Tommy turn into a murderer.
Tweak the story so you clean up those points and frame things a little differently and the ending would be much more powerful. You could have also tweaked the story a bit to show that Nucky's driving force was family and leaving a legacy, that was all that mattered to him. They touched on it at several points in the story but could have really driven it home more this season. Then have an ending where Nucky lives but loses everything, money, power, any semblence of family and friends. Forgotten. That could have been an equally powerful ending.
Michael Corleone lived through the 3rd Godfather but he paid a terrible price. I don't think anybody thought he "won" just because he lived. His was a fate worse than death. The same could have happened to Nucky.
Posted on 10/28/14 at 12:30 pm to geauxtigahs87
What surgery was that doctor doing on Gillian? I know they did frontal lobotomies on crazys back then but they were doing some kind of abdominal surgery that made the women derps
This post was edited on 10/28/14 at 12:31 pm
Posted on 10/28/14 at 12:40 pm to SoDakHawk
The fact that it doesn't make sense from a continuity standpoint is why it feels cheap and forced to me and why I am not a fan of the idea. It's like they wanted that poetic "full-circle" finish and were gonna shoehorn it in no matter what.
I wouldn't have minded if it made sense.
I wouldn't have minded if it made sense.
Posted on 10/28/14 at 12:44 pm to Cosmo
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What surgery was that doctor doing on Gillian? I know they did frontal lobotomies on crazys back then but they were doing some kind of abdominal surgery that made the women derps
hysterectomy
Posted on 10/28/14 at 12:47 pm to tygeray
From that link...
Sounds badass.
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What's next for you?
Terance Winter: I'm working on a new show for HBO which is set in the world of rock 'n' roll music in 1973. The pilot is also shot. Hopefully, before long, we'll get an official pickup and be on the air before too long.
Sounds badass.
Posted on 10/28/14 at 12:52 pm to Cosmo
Mental illness was still looked upon in the same fashion of superstition up through and including that time era. It was also viewed as a defect in character. Thorazine did not appear in this country until the latter 1950s. Oddly, some of these quacks took Freud's "wandering uterus" as being the cause of female hysteria a little too literally. Evidently, this sadistic doc thought that the way to cure or at least treat mental illness in his female patients was to do radical hysterectomies. There was no telling what some of these frickers did to their patients in institutions that frequently physically isolated away from the main population.
As a licensed practitioner for the past 30 years, I really have to wonder if we have made much progress. Granted, we're not dunking patients in ice cold water, doing insulin shock, doing lobotomies, or other such arcane shite. However, we're still using "magic potions" compliments of the pharmaceutical companies, and all too frequently, it doesn't work. For the cases that meds do the trick, those are nice victories for the patient. As modernized as hospitals are in other areas, they still cling to a semi-asylum model. We need the hospitals, but we need a more effective model of treatment, and drugs that are more targeted. We are actually making progress on the latter point. The former? Not so sure. But, I digress.
The "doctor" had removed Gillian's uterus and probably the rest of her female parts, with the exception of the "play pen".
As a licensed practitioner for the past 30 years, I really have to wonder if we have made much progress. Granted, we're not dunking patients in ice cold water, doing insulin shock, doing lobotomies, or other such arcane shite. However, we're still using "magic potions" compliments of the pharmaceutical companies, and all too frequently, it doesn't work. For the cases that meds do the trick, those are nice victories for the patient. As modernized as hospitals are in other areas, they still cling to a semi-asylum model. We need the hospitals, but we need a more effective model of treatment, and drugs that are more targeted. We are actually making progress on the latter point. The former? Not so sure. But, I digress.
The "doctor" had removed Gillian's uterus and probably the rest of her female parts, with the exception of the "play pen".
Posted on 10/28/14 at 12:56 pm to SoDakHawk
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Michael Corleone lived through the 3rd Godfather but he paid a terrible price. I don't think anybody thought he "won" just because he lived. His was a fate worse than death. The same could have happened to Nucky.
I am currently reading the book on Enoch Johnson and Atlantic City. In real life, he actually went to jail later on for tax evasion. Once he got out he signed a pauper's oath to avoid the fines and taxes. He and his wife lived modestly although he was still a fairly snappy dresser, and on political events, the two of them were always seated up near the front. He eventually died in some type of convalescent home.
Posted on 10/28/14 at 2:00 pm to damnedoldtigah
Yeah, but why would a hysterectomy drop her IQ 40 points? The same thing happened to the other patient earlier in the season after she got surgery. They turn into borderline vegetables.
Gillian was completely out of it when Nucky talked to her.
Gillian was completely out of it when Nucky talked to her.
Posted on 10/28/14 at 2:09 pm to Cosmo
Shock maybe. The traumatic experience of being in that place was getting to her and mentally breaking her down.
Gillian was not crazy when she went to the institution. She was sent there as part of a plea in which she plead temporary insanity as a defense in order to avoid jail. She was hoping that she would one day be declared "sane" and released. In her meeting with the doctor he dashed all hopes of that when he said he could never be sure if anybody who was insane could ever be completely cured, that the insanity was hiding away in their bodies (ovaries, etc) and would have to be physically cut out. She was never getting out of there and would spend the rest of her days tormented as part of some arcane experiments until her death.
Frankly, I'd rather be in jail than in an insane asylum.
Gillian was not crazy when she went to the institution. She was sent there as part of a plea in which she plead temporary insanity as a defense in order to avoid jail. She was hoping that she would one day be declared "sane" and released. In her meeting with the doctor he dashed all hopes of that when he said he could never be sure if anybody who was insane could ever be completely cured, that the insanity was hiding away in their bodies (ovaries, etc) and would have to be physically cut out. She was never getting out of there and would spend the rest of her days tormented as part of some arcane experiments until her death.
Frankly, I'd rather be in jail than in an insane asylum.
Posted on 10/28/14 at 2:10 pm to SoDakHawk
An asylum today is better than jail today
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