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re: Muslims don't like the gay bar
Posted on 10/25/14 at 3:24 pm to Cruiserhog
Posted on 10/25/14 at 3:24 pm to Cruiserhog
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why? Religion deserves to be mocked.
Its belief based on bad evidence or none at all or espouses tenets/laws that are some of the most immmoral decrees people used to guide their lives and in any other discourse between thinking people both of those would be ridiculed, and deservedly so.
Agreed, but in the 21st century most religions are more or less harmless. Islam is not. Islam is now 1000 times more harmful than Christianity, Judaism, Buddhism, etc. combined.
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Posted on 10/25/14 at 3:26 pm to Vols&Shaft83
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Stonehog alter, why do you care?
this shite is tired - just stop it.
This post was edited on 10/25/14 at 3:26 pm
Posted on 10/25/14 at 3:27 pm to genro
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How do you get people to be moral and decent if there's no God and life is meaningless?
The lack of a God does not make life meaningless. If anything, it's extremely liberating.
Posted on 10/25/14 at 3:28 pm to SirWinston
Man is inherently violent and deceitful. Stupid people especially. I don't think we need to be liberated. I don't want us to be one of the animals. It would be awful
This post was edited on 10/25/14 at 3:30 pm
Posted on 10/25/14 at 3:29 pm to genro
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You think the concept of empathy - just saying the golden rule - is as convincing as believing in an omnipotent deity who's always watching?
It isn't about empathy, it's a self-serving knowledge that the best way to avoid detrimental fates is for as many people as possible to feel the same way I do.
We can either destroy each other or coexist. "Morality" is a evolutionary adaptation to higher cortical functioning. Without it, creatures as intelligent as we are could not exist because we would simply kill each other.
Posted on 10/25/14 at 3:32 pm to Roger Klarvin
yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah!
Posted on 10/25/14 at 3:33 pm to Roger Klarvin
I see no reason to believe morality is an evolutionary development. Whether we look at most animals, including our own history, survival of the individual self is greater than survival of the species. If it's a factor, it's generally a secondary one with few exceptions
Self
Family/Clan
Tribe
Species
That's the hierarchy IMO
Self
Family/Clan
Tribe
Species
That's the hierarchy IMO
Posted on 10/25/14 at 3:36 pm to genro
I like the materialist (Marxist) view of history... To begin with. I think civilizations began to develop out of necessity, the fact that it originally occurred in places that were suddenly isolated due to rising waters after the last ice age, is proof positive IMO. So, essentially we are responding to conditions just like the animals. But to extrapolate this further, to say that all further advancement and innovation and ideas and culture was nothing more than an evolutionary development - responding to the conditions - is deeply unconvincing. So many huge changes in our human path can about from the innovation of so few. This view ultimately robs all people of any value or free will. Thomas Jefferson wasn't anything special, someone else would've done exactly the same in those exact conditions. And so on. The implication of that view is just unnerving and seems illogical on its face. And it is certainly not proven. That's a leap of faith.
This post was edited on 10/25/14 at 3:59 pm
Posted on 10/25/14 at 3:56 pm to genro
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I see no reason to believe morality is an evolutionary development.
Look harder
We see morality in ever increasing levels as we go up the hierarchy of mammals. Primates and dolphins have fairly high levels of morality amongst social groups.
Posted on 10/25/14 at 3:59 pm to genro
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Self
Family/Clan
Tribe
Species
That's the hierarchy IMO
essentially correct and would you agree every hierarchy functions better when its communal efforts are tilted towards synchronicity than chaos.
this is innate in my opinion
This post was edited on 10/25/14 at 4:00 pm
Posted on 10/25/14 at 4:01 pm to Roger Klarvin
quote:Uh, no. Chimps are big into infanticide, rape, cannibalism, etc. They are so evolved they can even make primitive tools to murder each others babies. I'm not sure how that is morality.
We see morality in ever increasing levels as we go up the hierarchy of mammals. Primates and dolphins have fairly high levels of morality amongst social groups.
Posted on 10/25/14 at 4:02 pm to SlowFlowPro
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so they went, on purpose, to be offended and literaly turn themselves into a "victim"
The American way
Posted on 10/25/14 at 4:07 pm to genro
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Uh, no.
Incorrect
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Chimps are big into infanticide, rape, cannibalism, etc
So were people 10,000 years ago. Animals haven't evolved large scale social groups like we have, back when we were tribal societies we functioned much the same way. We still had functional morality between groups, as many other mammals do.
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I'm not sure how that is morality.
Because you are operating under the assumption that morality is a universal term that defines some objective attribute, and any group that functions outside of that is immoral.
That isn't how it works. Morality is relative, and it exists in nature regardless of how different it is from your idea of what it should be.
Posted on 10/25/14 at 4:08 pm to Cruiserhog
quote:No. Well it depends on your view of "better"
essentially correct and would you agree every hierarchy functions better when its communal efforts are tilted towards synchronicity than chaos.
Because we are individuals, each of us places ourself atop the hierarchy. "Better" means self-serving.
Posted on 10/25/14 at 4:09 pm to Roger Klarvin
quote:That's a semantics argument. You're saying morality doesn't exist at all IMO.
Because you are operating under the assumption that morality is a universal term that defines some objective attribute, and any group that functions outside of that is immoral.
That isn't how it works. Morality is relative, and it exists in nature regardless of how different it is from your idea of what it should be.
Posted on 10/25/14 at 4:10 pm to Roger Klarvin
quote:No, so are people NOW. Unless they have a subjective synthetic cultural standard of morality that tells them not to.
So were people 10,000 years ago.
This post was edited on 10/25/14 at 4:12 pm
Posted on 10/25/14 at 4:13 pm to SirWinston
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this shite is tired - just stop it.
No, frick you
Posted on 10/25/14 at 4:13 pm to genro
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You're saying morality doesn't exist at all IMO.
It exists because society as a whole says it exists. Objectively no, there is no morality inherent to the universe. It isn't like gravity or atomic fission. It's a set of variable traits that arose amongst higher order animals as a necessity for survival.
Posted on 10/25/14 at 4:16 pm to genro
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No, so are people NOW.
You are suggesting that people will murder, rape and steal en masse apart from religion. This is demonstrably false, as the least religious societies have the lowest crime rates.
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Unless they have a subjective synthetic cultural standard of morality that tells them not to.
Again, this is simply incorrect. It isn't a matter of opinion.
Posted on 10/25/14 at 4:19 pm to stuntman
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