re: job change advice

Pics of wife?

If you just got out of school you should probably shoot for ~25 percent, maybe more. Look at the job description and try to see what the stats are for that position. Your new salary shouldn't be dependent on what you are currently making, unless you made the mistake of telling them what you make.

My first job change out of school was 27%, and my second was 43%.

Using an offer to get a raise is risky

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If you just got out of school you should probably shoot for ~25 percent, maybe more. Look at the job description and try to see what the stats are for that position. Your new salary shouldn't be dependent on what you are currently making, unless you made the mistake of telling them what you make.

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i didnt...and this is solid advice..thanks

No, I'm still at my third job and have received two promotions. Not sure what the hostility is all about

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Using an offer to get a raise is risky

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You need to be willing and prepared to take the second job for sure.

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Using an offer to get a raise is risky

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why?...especially since I KNOW they do not want me to leave...but they aren't giving me anymore $...even when Ive already asked...im an asset to them...where i work now takes time to get trained etc....i am in a very unique place...they need to cough it up...maybe an offer letter from another company will get their attention...they aint gonna fire me...they cant afford too

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My first job change out of school was 27%, and my second was 43%.

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I didn't realize the jump from french fries station manager to burger station manager was that lucrative.

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Black n Gold

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thanks...i have never done this before...so i am learning...

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they aint gonna fire me...they cant afford too

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That's where you're wrong. If you've been turned down for a raise as much as you say then you aren't as important as you think

Unless it's a terribly managed company they'll move on