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BlackWater guards convicted in Baghdad shooting
Posted on 10/22/14 at 1:10 pm
Posted on 10/22/14 at 1:10 pm
This is from the way, way back machine since it happened in 2007 but I am still shocked these guys got convicted.
LINK to full story
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Four former Blackwater security guards were found guilty Wednesday in the 2007 shootings of more than 30 Iraqis in Baghdad, and a federal judge ordered them immediately to jail.
In an overwhelming victory for prosecutors, a jury found Nicholas Slatten guilty of first-degree murder. The three other guards -- Paul Slough, Evan Liberty and Dustin Heard -- were found guilty of multiple counts of voluntary manslaughter, attempted manslaughter and gun charges.
The four men had been charged with a combined 33 counts in the shootings and the jury was able to reach a verdict on all of them, with the exception of three charges against Heard. The prosecution agreed to drop those charges.
The outcome after a summerlong trial and weeks of jury deliberation stunned the defense.
LINK to full story
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Posted on 10/22/14 at 1:12 pm to jbgleason
Sets a pretty nasty precedent for PMC's
Posted on 10/22/14 at 1:13 pm to jbgleason
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I am still shocked these guys got convicted.
why?
Posted on 10/22/14 at 1:14 pm to jamboybarry
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Sets a pretty nasty precedent for PMC's
I agree but PMC's have been becoming more popular and I don't see that industry slowing down.
Posted on 10/22/14 at 1:17 pm to AnonymousTiger
The standard is Reasonable Doubt. They were in a war zone, they say they got shot at (reasonable no?) and they returned fire within their ROE. The only thing to dispute their story are a bunch of people from Iraq who may or may not be friendly to the US and/or lost a family member in the incident-got shot themselves-etc.
I am shocked that at least one person on the jury didn't believe at least enough of the BW guards stories to vote Not Guilty.
I am shocked that at least one person on the jury didn't believe at least enough of the BW guards stories to vote Not Guilty.
Posted on 10/22/14 at 1:19 pm to jbgleason
How do US Federal Courts have jurisdiction over something that happened in Iraq?
Posted on 10/22/14 at 1:19 pm to TreyAnastasio
BW guards were working under a US State Department contract. Wa La... Federal jurisdiction.
Posted on 10/22/14 at 1:20 pm to jbgleason
Seems like a stretch
Posted on 10/22/14 at 1:23 pm to jbgleason
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The standard is Reasonable Doubt. They were in a war zone
This is really all you need to know.
Posted on 10/22/14 at 1:28 pm to TreyAnastasio
Maybe they should have asked to have been extradited/tried in Iraq.
Posted on 10/22/14 at 1:32 pm to jbgleason
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I am shocked that at least one person on the jury didn't believe at least enough of the BW guards stories to vote Not Guilty
I stopped being surprised by verdicts in Federal Courts long ago. Especially Federal Courts that draw their jurors out of Washington D.C.
Also, here is an article that goes a little more in depth than the one you posted.
LINK
And here are what each defendant was found guilty of:
LINK
Posted on 10/22/14 at 1:36 pm to OleWar
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Maybe they should have asked to have been extradited/tried in Iraq.
Well what I was driving at, is why did Iraq let them out of the country to be tried here.
Posted on 10/22/14 at 1:38 pm to TreyAnastasio
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Well what I was driving at, is why did Iraq let them out of the country to be tried here.
Status of Forces agreement
Posted on 10/22/14 at 1:47 pm to jbgleason
Those dudes that work for company's like are such bad asses. Could you imagine if you're work place had ROE's? Hahah
I'd never want to get in a shootout with these fruit loops I work with.
I'd never want to get in a shootout with these fruit loops I work with.
Posted on 10/22/14 at 2:08 pm to AnonymousTiger
Great link. Check out the below quote which really makes me wonder how there wasn't Reasonable Doubt. No way this survives appeal.
The prosecution suffered another setback during the trial when they discovered that they had failed to turn over all the photographs from a computer disk of evidence taken by investigators after the incident, including one belatedly released to defendants showing AK-47 shell casings from a bus stop near the square from which they claimed to be taking fire.
The prosecution suffered another setback during the trial when they discovered that they had failed to turn over all the photographs from a computer disk of evidence taken by investigators after the incident, including one belatedly released to defendants showing AK-47 shell casings from a bus stop near the square from which they claimed to be taking fire.
Posted on 10/22/14 at 2:20 pm to jbgleason
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Several former Blackwater guards testified that they had been generally distrustful of Iraqis, based on experience the guards said they had had in being led into ambushes
I mean... my God how could you not if you spent any time over there? Did someone actually testify that you could trust the Iraqi guards and security forces? Checkpoints were generally always a high threat area during convoys. 2007 was also the deadliest time in and around Baghdad.
Posted on 10/22/14 at 2:59 pm to stevengtiger
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I agree but PMC's have been becoming more popular and I don't see that industry slowing down.
Maybe we should reconsider that trend, as a matter of policy.
Posted on 10/22/14 at 3:16 pm to Jim Rockford
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Maybe we should reconsider that trend, as a matter of policy.
This.
Posted on 10/22/14 at 3:18 pm to Jim Rockford
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Maybe we should reconsider that trend, as a matter of policy.
I agree with but if the US doesn't use them, they will seek out work elsewhere around the globe. It is an industry in which they will always be able to find work somewhere.
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