re: Report: Autopsy analysis shows Michael Brown may have gone for Wilson’s gun

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but the media said he was running away. with his hands up.

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Forensics says differently.

I take a different posture (and, to his credit, Sean Hannity has said the exact same thing) - the initial report by the media is almost always wrong, usually way off. So, wait and allow the facts to develop before jumping to conclusions.

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You really believe that? If so, then they miserable failed in the long run of things considering what is going on in the St. Louis area at the present.

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There's no doubt that Holder brought the temperature down a few degrees when he visited Missouri. There's no telling what would have happened had he not gone.

By the way, when Holder had a reputation for turning a blind eye towards police brutality when he was a federal prosecutor in D.C., so I don't know what's the basis for folks thinking he was out to get Wilson.

Vb, I knew you were too much of a coward to directly respond to my comment.

The truth is, Obama has gone out of his way to make a big deal out of situations ONLY when a white person was WRONGLY perceived to have done something wrong. Cambridge police matter, Trayvon Martin case, and Ferguson, MO.

Obama is even from Chicago, more or less, and he has almost never even acknowledged the black on black murder rate in that city.

Same ting with Holder. He went to Ferguson and announced, "I'm here as a black man," and talked about how he had been pulled over in New Jersey. Of course Holder played the race card in Ferguson.

It must really suck for you that the facts in the Ferguson, MO case are all trending in favor of the police officer. That's why you haven't offered one comment relative to the subject of this thread. All you've done is pick out one or two words of mine and taken the meaning totally out of context.

You know what, dude? I've met very few gay people who weren't mad at the world because they were different, and you certainly fit that mold. Regardless of what the facts are, you go against the grain of what is right, just, and even obvious in order not to align yourself with mainstream America. I see this with gay people all the time.

It's not our fault you are gay, fool.

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The inside struggle didn't explain the areas where he was shot outside (meaning was he complying or charging)

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I agree - if I rush at you and beat you about the head and shoulders, you draw a weapon and I take 3 steps back with my hands up, you can't legally shoot me.

However, this does 2 things for Wilson:

1. Generally corroborates his description of the initial encounter - if, for no other reason, to bolster his credibility - i.e., it is clear, now, that Brown attacked him through the window and tried to get his weapon, and

2. Offers, at a basic level, some justification in Wilson's subjective fear that Brown may attack again, once they were both outside of the vehicle.

Even with superficial facial injuries, he can credibly claim that his vision was impaired as well.

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Unless the Brown family hires a really good expert it's a done deal. This is finished.

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I agree.

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Vb, I knew you were too much of a coward to directly respond to my comment.

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I've met very few gay people who weren't mad at the world because they were different, and you certainly fit that mold.

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It's not our fault you are gay, fool.

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Karla - I would respectfully suggest you not do this - it adds nothing to the debate, lowers the discussion to a personal level, unnecessary to pursue this exchange of ideas and arguments.

And I say this as a person with whom you will probably agree 95% of the time on political issues.

And this is just a suggestion. Obviously, you do what you want.

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However, this does 2 things for Wilson: 1. Generally corroborates his description of the initial encounter

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Also, could severely discredit any alleged "eyewitness" who failed to make mention of the initial encounter in the car.

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Can't you understand this approach?

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Yes. I'm taking this approach, as well, TF. We don't have serious disagreement on this.

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I don't give Zimmerman anywhere near the same benefit of doubt that I give Wilson.

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Meh. You say tomato. I certainly didn't defer as much at the beginning, but the fact pattern is very similar. You're correct that it appears Martin wasn't doing anything wrong prior to the encounter, and Brown had just committed a robbery. That's a significant difference.

However, if the unarmed black teenager in each encounter had refrained from physically attacking the armed non-black adult, both would be alive. Martin wouldn't even been in jail - might have made a new friend.

We'll never know.

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But you are trying to make light of it.

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No. I'm not. I'm a combat veteran. Gunfights are serious business.

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Don't piss on me and tell me it's raining.

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I'm not and it's not.

i am going to wait for a formal release before passing judgement.

this clearly makes brown look like a thug, but it also could be flat out wrong. lots of "soruces" and people not attached to the investigation.

Trayvon Martin is the one who escalated that situation into a life-or-death ordeal, trackfan. I guess you have conveniently forgotten that Martin was banging Zimmerman's head on the pavement?

So what if Zimmerman was a little overzealous? I dont know if he was or not, given the burglaries that had been committed in that neighborhood. Martin had also been suspended from school for burglary, so how do you know he wasn't trying to size up the environment?

But regardless, the police would've just come out and talked to Martin, anyway. If Martin hadn't instigated a physical confrontation with Zimmerman, he wouldn't have died that night.

Don't leave out pertinent facts, trackfan.

Browns parents need to make a statement or say something because they are letting their sons name get dragged through the mud of the court of public opinion