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re: LSU's one dimensional offense (per Dandy Don)
Posted on 10/21/14 at 1:51 pm to Choupique19
Posted on 10/21/14 at 1:51 pm to Choupique19
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Which scenario is more likely:
Gary Crowton and Cam Cameron both love the toss lead, or that both of those coordinators run what Les Miles wants?
My position on this couldn't be clearer. I don't love or hate our scheme. A scheme is a scheme. It's a means. Not an end. I don't want a sexy passing scheme just for the sake of it. An 11 yard run gets me just as charged as a 20yrd pass. They accomplish the same thing, though one does it a bit more deliberately.
If Les has a fricking run-first scheme that he wants the OC to run, the OC needs to figure out how to make the shite work. Our scheme is fine. It got us within one do-over game of the greatest season of the BCS era. Our execution, however, is shite. The starting QB and RBs can't hook up for a screen pass in the back field. Our backup QB doesn't even know the playbook. How is that on Les?
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Posted on 10/21/14 at 1:52 pm to GeauxxxTigers23
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Fact is that right now we simply don't have a functioning quarterback
We have 2 losses against one of the stronger schedules in the country. The sky is clearly falling.
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we will lose to Ole Miss this weekend because we will try to run into an 8 or 9 man front and fall behind early.
Good to know, Ms. Cleo.
Posted on 10/21/14 at 1:52 pm to WildTchoupitoulas
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Our passing game is horrible. That's a fact.
This is what blows my mind: Everyone agrees with that, but there's a lot of people who still insist that LSU should throw the ball even though the passing game is horrible.
It's baffling. "We're terrible at passing! We should pass more!"
Posted on 10/21/14 at 1:53 pm to Navytiger74
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How is that on Les?
Uhhh, he's the HMFIC
Posted on 10/21/14 at 1:54 pm to Navytiger74
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Our backup QB doesn't even know the playbook.
I think it's pretty clear that they have pared down the offense to stuff the QBs know and that's how you end up looking predictable. As they get more comfortable, they'll open up the playbook, but the coaches need to put the QBs in a position to succeed. We really just need to work through the inexperience. We knew that going into this year. I'm not sure what some of these people were expecting.
Posted on 10/21/14 at 1:56 pm to GeauxxxTigers23
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Jennings is not going to get better.
Maybe Harris will
Jennings actually made a couple of completions over the middle to against UK. One of the passes was well behind TM18 and he had to make a tough grab though.
Posted on 10/21/14 at 1:56 pm to Cold Cous Cous
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It's baffling. "We're terrible at passing! We should pass more!"
Posted on 10/21/14 at 1:57 pm to Choupique19
Good point 19. LSU WRs have 60 total catches in 8 games, TD 26, TQ 14, MD 11, and JD 9. If the passing doesn't improve....oh well. I actually think LSU will have more success running against OM than most on here.
Having said that some balance is still needed...just not sure the QBs are capable enough at this point.
Having said that some balance is still needed...just not sure the QBs are capable enough at this point.
Posted on 10/21/14 at 1:58 pm to Galactic Inquisitor
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We have 2 arse whippings against one of the stronger schedules in the country because we don't have a functioning QB and ran the ball up the middle against 8 and 9 man front and fell behind early. The sky is clearly falling.
Posted on 10/21/14 at 1:58 pm to ctiger69
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LSU has to throw the ball some to win
fixed it.
Posted on 10/21/14 at 1:59 pm to Galactic Inquisitor
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Tell me, what did Bama lose?
Only their star QB and their offensive coordinator, plus a 2nd round OT, and a 4th round receiver.
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So you admit that we lose all of this, but expect no dropoff. Legit.
I expected dropoff. I didn't expect a gaggle of grabass to take the field, however.
Posted on 10/21/14 at 2:00 pm to Navytiger74
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If Les has a fricking run-first scheme that he wants the OC to run
I do think Les is involved to that extent. He wants to run first and except for a season or two, that has been the only option that made sense based on the personnel he's had.
My point in this is we can run 9 plays out of 10, but we need to do so more creatively. We can run the wishbone for all I care, as long as it's not predictable.
The running game has had an expanded playbook since Mississippi St. (where we acted like it was impossible NOT to run between the tackles), but it's not as varied as it could be. I also think they can add some plays where it's hard to tell whether it can be a run or pass. Mississippi St. and Auburn did a good job running plays like that against us. I know we don't have run/pass threats at QB like that, but it's not all-or-nothing.
We have some different plays in our playbook, but we haven't used them except against NMSU and maybe some other boring games I got tired of watching. We might not have them ready for this game, but maybe the pre-Bama week off will allow some more of them in.
Posted on 10/21/14 at 2:00 pm to GeauxxxTigers23
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Uhhh, he's the HMFIC
Well it's clear now that he would have been better off hiring Lane Kiffin's dumb arse (were he available at the time).
Posted on 10/21/14 at 2:01 pm to Galactic Inquisitor
We are the second youngest offensive skill group in the country and are still scoring 35 points a game. If the passing game isn't significantly better next year than Cam deserves some criticism but he came in here last year and did a great job. He didn't forget how to coach, nor was he here when we had all of the QB busts. He's recruited one and that's Brandon Harris, who I think will be special. The impatience is staggering.
Posted on 10/21/14 at 2:02 pm to Galactic Inquisitor
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Name another team that lost as much on offense as we did:
Starting QB
Starting RB
Starting WR1
Starting WR2
Starting OG1
Wow, that's a lot of NFL talent there. Surely we led the nation in scoring last year? Won the conference? Division?
Posted on 10/21/14 at 2:03 pm to WildTchoupitoulas
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This is what blows my mind: Everyone agrees with that, but there's a lot of people who still insist that LSU should throw the ball even though the passing game is horrible.
It's like saying we should win the game by doing the very thing we are worst at. WTF???
Rant logic, playa. And 22x per game is the same as never. Don't forget that one.
Posted on 10/21/14 at 2:04 pm to MightyYat
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We do try to pass the ball. We're just not very good at it.
Because we don't know how to coach players how to pass very well.
Posted on 10/21/14 at 2:06 pm to Navytiger74
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If Les has a fricking run-first scheme that he wants the OC to run, the OC needs to figure out how to make the shite work. Our scheme is fine. It got us within one do-over game of the greatest season of the BCS era.
You answered this earlier last page on another topic when you said "you can't hope for NFL talent at qb, 2 wrs, and rb at one time". 2011 was and example of the offensive scheme fitting that "once in a lifetime defense and special teams units" that we had. Just because we won games a certain way in 2011, doesn't mean we have the personnel to try and win games the same way now.
Posted on 10/21/14 at 2:07 pm to Choupique19
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Wow, that's a lot of NFL talent there. Surely we led the nation in scoring last year? Won the conference? Division?
Do you actually enjoy being a miserable arse?
Posted on 10/21/14 at 2:08 pm to cheo25
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Because we don't know how to coach players how to pass very well.
Mett seemed to do okay. God forbid our 18 and 19 year old quarterbacks not win the Heisman....
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